Okay, recent events in Hatchie’s “Cenk Uygur running for Pres” has made me actually use this thread for it’s intended purpose. I don’t think they’re a troll, but OMFG they are obsessed with this guy, and the non-stop moving of goalposts in his own thread is infuriating.
The OP is fine, talking about the non-confrontational nature of most current Democrats, including Biden, and how the party could use some additional energy and combativeness. Which, I largely agree with. And initially, Hatchie was willing to admit that said prospect has a problem with them not being a natural born citizen. Sure, I was irritated at being asked to evaluate them based on a full length podcast, but -shrug-.
But wow, it escalated fast. By post 5, they’re saying that the natural born requirements are unfair (probably), undemocratic (probably not IMHO), and likely vulnerable to a SCOTUS challenge (this SCOTUS? Yeah right).
By post #13, they were demanding (only a slight exaggeration!) that people should listen to the podcast before they responded to the thread. Which, well, absolutely wants to make me dig in my heels. Kenobi_65 probably put it best though:
“Hi, I’ve posted a link to this 2 hour interview with this guy, and I really want you to listen to it before you engage with me on this topic.” That’s pretty presumptive, IMO.
I mean, it keeps going, Hatchie switches to an argument that the SCOTUS could rule that “natural born” is unenforceable, and everyone points out that no, it’s absolutely enforceable, why would they do that, and so on. Then claims much of the Constitution is old stuff that’s been left in but ignored, carefully ignoring that it took constitutional amendments to supersede. Then says they don’t want to argue the point, demand everyone else drop it, more or less returns to point zero, that as a voice for change and energy in the party, Cenk is key because Trump (or other MAGA types) are so horrible.
And on and on and on. I get it Hatchie, you like this guy, and I too am frustrated with the Democrats always being the adults in the room, without being respected as such. But the way you’re presenting this candidate, flailing in your arguments, and making demands is 100% counterproductive.
What were you THINKING?