That’ll be the POTUS whose campaign was found to be collaborating with a foreign power bent on interfering with the election? The one who dropped penalties on a Chinese company violating sanctions with Iran in return for a $500m loan from China and a raft of intellectual property licenses for Ivanka? The one who gave classified information to Russia (who gave it to Iran) and whose son-in-law, despite being unable to fill out a security clearance application without lying repeatedly and being openly known by several countries to be a major security risk, was given access to large amounts of the highest level of classified intelligence (and may have provided it to the Saudis or Qataris)? The one who has been engaged in active obstruction of investigation into his own, potentially criminal, activities and in a broader campaign to undermine law enforcement and the entire American judiciary?
One wonders what you consider “pro-American values and actions” to be.
I think it’s hilarious when English people claim to be “Indigenous British,” when in fact the Britons are the people who were there before the English (their linguistic & cultural descendants are now the Welsh, the Cornish*, and in France the Bretons). “Indigenous” is harder, since the people who were there before the Britons have no cultural descendants anymore. (I say “cultural descendants” because somebody always tries to bring genetics / race into it, and their genetic descendants are all over the world.)
The English do have a claim to be indigenous, because their languge and identity arose once their various antecedents had arrived on the island, but I still think it’s weird to MAKE the claim given how the word is used in every other context. And has fuck-all to do with Brexit, except to anecdotally correlate my worst suspicions of the pro-Brexit folks and their racism.
Please feel free to expand in another thread. I can’t promise I would have an intelligent comment to make, but I would love to read what you have to say on the topic.
Well not from where I’m sitting and certainly not over here in general other than by the Snowflakes and “Socialists” and of course the infamous giftzwerg Speaker of The House, Bercow but he’s just a bad smell created by Blair that just won’t go away.
As for Barack Hussein, quite apart from anything else the diplomatic insult to our head of state followed by his bowing from the waist to the Saudi ruler will never be forgotten or forgiven.
Then there was his stirring up trouble in the Middle East in his attempt to actively support the creation of The Green Crescent. How about his blatant racism. Hardly a person that could be accused of as being patriotic eh?
Donald Trump on the other hand could never be accused of NOT being patriotic.
I agree to a considerable extent, after all unless someone has a probable direct lineage to blue-green algae it can only be a subjective description however Britain and especially so England had a racially stable population and contiguous culture for many hundred years. On that basis using indigenous in my opinion is perfectly reasonable.
As for supporting BREXIT and being racist, all that proves is how very far the meaning of racist has departed from what it originally meant.
Why do you keep mentioning Obama’s middle name? Why is that relevant?
I’m actually concerned about the rhetoric and policies of our leaders, rather than silliness like diplomatic gifts and bowing, and in this sense, Trump has done immense harm to the country – far more than anything Obama did. Trump has tried to get millions thrown of the health care rolls, he’s greatly empowered racists and bigots of all stripes (which bears out in violent hate crime statistics), he’s done everything he can to harm journalists and journalism (including, speaking of the Saudis, supporting them as they brutally murdered a journalist), and much, much more.
There was no “blatant racism” from Obama, and I’m not sure what “Green Crescent” you’re referring to. Obama did oversee the Iran nuclear deal, which actually would have prevented Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons for over a decade, though Trump is now doing his best to throw it away (and thus empower the extremists among Iranian leadership). By action and rhetoric, Obama is orders of magnitude more patriotic than Trump.
LOL. He’s the most unAmerican president in my lifetime, if not the history of the country. He’s praised tyrannical and brutal foreign leaders at the same time as spreading lies about American law enforcement and intelligence professionals. He’s spouted unConstitutional bullshit in an effort to derail legitimate investigations into possible wrongdoing by him and his administration. He lies with almost every utterance. In every sense, he’s more harmful to the country than Obama.
It sounds like you get your news about the US from fake right-wing infotainment sites like Breitbart. I recommend you try legitimate news sources – you could start with the BBC, and for a US source, NPR.
Um…the Queen and her family and the Obamas became and remain good personal friends, unlike her relationship with many of the previous POTUSes. So whichever grievous insult your fevered brow is imagining was apparently not viewed in the same light by Her Majesty herself.
The previous POTUS literally kissed the Saudi ruler.
That’s the same Middle East that the previous administration had literally started two longrunning wars in? The same Middle East the current president is now sending troops to in order to instigate a war with Iran? That Middle East?
Yes, how about it? And how does it compare to Trump’s blatant racism?
Depends on your metric, I suppose.
His patriotism is as strong and unquestionable as his Christian faith, his business acumen, and his moral integrity.
As far as nationalism and nativism, there’s nothing wrong with being proud of your country. What’s wrong is willful ignorance and basing your opinion on emotion rather than reason; Gyrate showed you cites about the economic cost of Brexit, and told you how much immigrants add to your country’s economy. But you’d rather say things like this little gem, which tells us just exactly what drives your thinking:
Comparing immigrants and non-white people to pests has a very long and inglorious history in Europe. Not sure why anyone would want to repeat this in the present, knowing how catastrophic this attitude has been in the past.
I’d just like to thank Malacalypse the elder for his posts in this thread.
As someone who has long been sceptical about the claims and workings of the EU, and who has watched with great irritation as various commentators have unfairly cast all ‘leave’ voters as knuckle-dragging xenophobes, it is all too easy for me to forget that a major driving force behind brexit is this toxic blend of paranoia, prejudice, and pomposity.
I’ve bookmarked the page for the next time I need to remind myself that, however annoying and foolish the identity politics of the left might be, the identity politics of the right are almost infinitely worse.
Taken together with this survey from 2018, your view of the situation there isn’t exactly shared by the people you so confidently claim to know all about.
(PS: In another of your posts, chucking in a borrowed insult like “giftzwerg” doesn’t provide quite the deflection you imagine: it rather reveals too close an interest in the most notable purveyor of the Big Lie).
Malaclypse, I don’t really give a damn about nationalist politics in the U.K.
I do give a damn about racism and hate speech on the Straight Dope Message Board. You’re welcome to speak your piece. However, any more posts like this one and you will not enjoy the outcome.
Everyone. Be civil to each other and keep your tempers under control.
Lots of people on Twitter are reporting that when they show up at their polling place, they’re being told to go back to their home countries to vote, despite having lived in the UK and registered to vote there for years.
Only in the short term - the next decade or three. After that, Scotland gets to be in a bit of a pickle, especially if it gives away its fisheries to Europe again.