What will the UK do wrt Brexit?

Waving the flag is not being patriotic.

Trump is not patriotic. Trump is a Trumpist. He has, on multiple occasions, done things to help himself while harming the country, to make himself happy while violating the rights of fellow citizens.

If one wishes to make the case that he is clearly American because he has engaged in the same sort of anti-social activities in which many other Americans have engaged, one may make that plea. However, from dodging the draft to dodging his taxes, he is no patriot.

The excessive breeding of immigrants is a common false claim employed by nativists in many lands. Breeding most closely ties to the individual’s perception of economic welfare. The inclusion in a non-suppressive host country always results in a decline in the birth rate. The idiots pushing the “Eurabia” hoax tried to make a claim for being overrun and out-populated a dozen years ago and they have been proven wrong. You might very well make a claim that the birth rates have not fallen enough in Britain, (although they are falling), however, Britain’s immigrants have recently been arrivals from areas with subsistence farming and a lack of higher education. As the immigrants’ children have gotten better jobs, their birth rate is falling–just as it always has throughout the world.

Wrong wrong wrong and more wrong.

Not sure what you’re going for here, but this in combination with your other offerings is hard to distinguish between racist dehumanizing bullshit. I suggest you dial it back quite a bit.

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There’s a reason why it’s hard to distinguish that post from racist dehumanizing bullshit. Does Occam’s Razor kick in at some point?

I wonder… May clearly had sight of the exit polls, so just how bad are the results going to be? Pre-election polling put the Brexit Party on 30 seats, not quite a majority of the 72 available. But not that far off either.

From my superficial view it seems to me that the Brexit deal could have been agreed long ago had it not been for the contradiction inherent in the Northern Ireland problem: in order to leave the EU customs union, there would have to be a customs border between Ireland and Northern Ireland, but at the same time Ireland and Northern Ireland don’t want a customs border between them.

Well, since obviously having Northern Ireland one the EU side of the customs border is unacceptable, and just as obviously having it on the UK side of the customs border is unacceptable, why has no one proposed the obvious solution of having a customs border on both sides of Northern Ireland. That would piss absolutely everyone off, which means it’s the absolutely got to be the just and fair compromise everyone’s looking for.

And that’s only an issue because May lost her majority in the election she so stupidly called.

Why, if she had not called the election would she agree to a customs border down the Irish Sea? Because EU would not agree to a customs border between Ireland and Northern Ireland (Ireland would veto it).

The absence of a hard border is also a substantial underpinning of the Good Friday Agreement, which is a legally binding international treaty. It’s not just a matter of doing Ireland a favour or not.

Chaps, just call the whole thing off until you have a specific and workable idea in mind. You’re just embarrassing yourselves. Try again if you must in 2030, that’s a good country, cheerio.

Because the NI MPs would not have been able to veto whatever solution she found.

I doubt her resignation has much to do with exit polls(which are undoubtedly awful). More likely its the traditional political strategy of not resigning during an election - a steady ship and all that. I think she is loonier than I imagined if she believed resigning during this election would make her party’s prospects any worse.

Calls for her resignation had been getting steadily louder and more insistent for some time. On Tuesday she made a major speech, pitching her withdrawal agreement yet again. It was rejected by every single other party across the spectrum from the far left to the far right, as well as by a large section of the Tory party, and by many moderate Tory MPs who had supported her before.

The 1922 Committee was actively considering changing the Conservative Party rules to vote her out, and were fully prepared to do so. By Wednesday it was clear even to May that she had absolutely no choice except to resign or be kicked out within days.

The EU election was on Thursday. It wasn’t a good idea to resign immediately before or on the election day, as it could only make Conservative results even worse. So she resigned on Friday.

She’d already agreed, weeks ago, that she would go before the talks on the future relationship would get under way, if she got the withdrawal agreement through, so the scenario even she was offering was to go before Parliament’s summer recess or at the latest by the end of October. Setting a definite date has only come forward since her latest attempt to reconcile the irreconcilable was so comprehensively rubbished all round.

Are they ever going to count those sealed ballots? It would be hilarious if it turned out the attempt to change the rules had actually failed.

But more or less par for the course, in terms of the general haplessness of the Tories, particularly over the last few years.

That argument might hold water if the Tory MPs had all voted in favour of May’s deal, only to be defeated by a narrow vote of the NI MPs.

But that’s not what happened.

On the first vote in January, about a third of the Tory MPs voted against her deal, shown by the graphic in this article:

The Tory MPs are badly divided on this issue. Even if they generally agree on Brexit, there is no consensus on how to achieve it. That dynamic didn’t come out of the snap election. That’s been the fault lines in the Tories for years. It would still be there even if May hadn’t called the election. And, her departure changes nothing with respect to those fault lines. They won’t suddenly all be in favour of the Withdrawal Agreement, nor will they all suddenly agree on a no-deal Brexit, which seem to be the only two options for the Brexteers.

It wouldn’t have happened. May would not have lost the confidence of her party and the MPs would have lined up behind her. After losing her majority in the 2017 election MPs felt able to not follow her with the results we have seen over the past two years.