No, I am not creative enough to make it up, I learned it from contacts with spirit.
Now, there are “books” that contain this information. Notice I use the word “contain.”
“Seth Speaks, the Eternal Validity of the Soul”
“The Nature of Personal Reality”
“The Unknown Reality”
are books written by Jane Roberts and contain most of the information I have presented here. Actually they are channelled books from Seth.
I have read them all and more, they are beautifully written and explain much.
There is only one author I value more, and that is “Emmanuel’s Book II, The Choice for Love”, compiled by Pat Rodegast and Judith Stanton.
I see that my doubts were justified. This doesn’t answer how these loving units decided (I guess they can decide, since they are self-aware) to come together to form smallpox and kill helpless children who aren’t trained or educated or tested or benefited in any way from having to suffer a terrible death. Sorry, but your God still sounds like a grade-A asshole.
I don’t see a whole lot I would disagree with; I think human beings are naturally spiritual, although I’m sure there are atheists who would disagree with that.
OTOH, like love, I think that spirituality is mostly chemical reaction. Many are insulted by that statement, thinking that by saying “it’s a chemical reaction” the feeling is somehow less real or cheapened. It’s still real. It’s experienced. I just don’t believe there’s any being at which it should be aimed.
I agree with your assertion that personal responsibility is something for which we should all strive, and not blame others for our own mistakes. I think the only two things on which you and I disagree is that I don’t think there is a force that helps us; I think we help ourselves, and I don’t see an interconnectedness of all things. At some point, it is entropy that takes over, not cohesion.
They are spiritual knowledge coming from a spiritual being.
When I was reading one of these books at my office, one of my employees expressed a concern to me that I was reading weird books that could in some way hurt me. So I asked her to read two pages and if she found something she didn’t like I would quit reading the book. It took a while to talk her into reading the pages, they were a description of God by Seth, but she finally agreed and went to her desk with the book. About 40 minutes later I passed by her desk to find her crying and became concern about how the reading affected her. I asked “what did you read.” She replied “I just read about God, and He is so beautiful.” She came to our support group the next night and became one of our regulars. She was a former Catholic.
If the time is not right, pass them by. But your opinion is only your opinion.
We haven’t got to the part about planet earth and its problems yet.
No, we haven’t. Which is part of the frustration of trying to debate with you–it is impossible to get you to give straight answers to questions. For example, how do you reconcile this:
What I want is a straightforward answer. You have given one, but I find it implausible. That’s great that in your opinion the person’s soul survives all of this earthly suffering. But being made to suffer is a bad thing. Surely you must agree with this. Don’t you think a murderer who tortures his victims for days before killing them is doing something terrible, and that the victims have the right to be pitied? And so why must God allow even worse suffering than that, inflicted upon people who bear no responsibility, like the boy in the photo I linked to?
“So, Mr. Jehovah… you admit that because of your negligence, millions of people have experienced horrible tragedy, pain, suffering, disease, and loss?”
“Yep.”
“And you admit that while you had the power to step in and stop it at any time, you instead stood idly by and watched it happen? Or simply ignored it?”
“Yeah, that’s right.”
“And despite your willfully permitting all that monumental pain and suffering in a world you created, much of it on people innocent of any wrongdoing, you still consider yourself a just and loving God?”
“Well, sure. I mean, I make sure everybody dies eventually.”
One problem is that whatever deity there is, if any, has not seen fit to give us any evidence that there is something beyond. (Unless you are in lekatt’s corner.
Does the person who designed the road to happiness really have to route it through the briar patch? Whether or not there is something beyond the gate, there is no reason for there to be unnecessary pain and suffering on this side of it. So I think we can argue both at the same time. I don’t think any deity who allowed the Black Plague to gain new recruits is one I want to meet in a dark alley, no matter how good the food is over there.
BTW, it struck me that both of you arguing for god don’t believe in a traditional one. Maybe a just traditional Judeo-Christian god is unsupportable?
