You continue to demand citations to law after they have been provided and yet have done absolutely nothing to establish your own claim that the former President could squat indefinitely in the White House. Put up a citation yourself–preferably without being strung together with ellipses although that seems to be the only form of punctuation you know–or stop arguing from ignorance.
Stranger
I don’t know about the laws in DC but look up the stories on squatters and you’ll see they are treated as tenants by the law as their evictions wind through the court system.
That’s right. He lived in the President’s House in Philadelphia, didn’t he? I may be getting that wrong, too. Consider “White House” to be anachronistic synecdoche in his case.
You mean like a hotel … there’s usually specific definitions of a transient guest facilities … and at least local here this includes language about how long someone stays … two weeks maximum I seem to remember … if the family has lived in the place for eight years, then the landlord/tenant due process laws would be followed …
Squatters typically are defined as people who never had permission to reside in a house, and there may be quicker ways to deal with than than the 30-day notice … here we can use a 24-hour notice … but it’s still all the weeks winding through the courts …
Maybe **watchwolf ** is on to something here. Obama could file a wrongful termination suit with DC’s Department of Employment Services, and maybe get an injunction to prohibit his dismissal until the case is adjudicated…
If President Obama refused to leave the White House the Secret Service would call in Michelle, who would drag him out the ear.
He could forget about getting his security deposit back.
And forget about using Uncle Sam as a reference when he applies to rent his next residence!!
So if I enlist in the Army and my enlistment is up I can just stay in the barracks for weeks until a state court rules on the Army’s eviction efforts? That seems unlikely.
I assume you’ve never been in the Army … because your enlistment isn’t up until you have your DD Form 214 in hand … you’re going to be packed and moved out of your dorm room by then … and this is done while you’re still subject to the UCMJ … and still required to follow orders …
The better example is the Park Ranger who lives in a cabin inside the park …
The White House is not the Presidents “Home”
His “Home” is what ever personal residence he maintains privately.
The White House is, among many other things, the Office of the Presidency
The office contains temporary living accommodations because the job is one that requires
a nearly 24/7 presence and a 24/7 access to various different systems and resources that can not be simply relocated at a whim to someones 2 story 3 bedroom in Peoria.
24/7 security is also required, and you cant do that just any old random place with out putting the security personnel at even higher risk than they already are.
The President is never a tenant or renter or even a resident per say.
He is a paid employee, much like a house sitter if you will.
The office, the building, the grounds etc do not belong to the president, they belong to the People of the United States of America.
The People pay him to maintain the office, and like any other job, when your term of employment is up, you vacate your office.
Just because you slept at your office does not suddenly let you decide not to leave.
There are no renter/tenant/squatter rights here, that stuff does not even come into play here.
If he chose not to leave, they would politely, as kindly as possible, but firmly remove him in as dignified a way as possible.
I highly imagine they would try having people sit down and talk with him at first, because you know, maybe the guy is having a moment where he is afraid to leave because i doesn’t know what he is going to do after this, but he would be removed.
You’d probably never read about it either, it would all happen quietly and be kept in house
Yeah, but what if he’s armed and has taken hostages?
I thought the President slept in the room called the “President’s Bedroom” in the portion of the White House called the “Presidential Residence” … why do you not think this is a case of “housing contingent upon employment”? … of course he’s required to vacant the residence at the end of the term of employment, the question is what if he doesn’t … are you suggesting that the President alone in all the USA isn’t entitled to due process of law? … or are you suggesting the President lived someplace else these past eight years?
The President does have armed bodyguards whose job is to prevent anyone from laying hands on him … I’m guessing it’s illegal for the President to have a gun while on Federal property … just like you and me …
He’d have to show the long form copy of his lease to prove he was a tenant. Now THAT I would like to see!
The lease is terminated … Obama agreed to move out when the new President was sworn in … based on this agreement then Obama would be in breach of contract if he chooses to stay … the question is whether this is a violation of criminal law or civil law … I’m not finding any Federal law that criminalizes simple breach of contract, nor any procedures for a holdover tenancy … thus we revert to the DC’s laws in this case … in much the same way as the National Park Service would use NC’s laws to evict a fired ranger from the Great Smoky NP employee cabins …
You think there is a lease? Really???
You’re arguing with someone who lacks even a basic grasp of grammar and punctuation, much less the context and meaning of the language. Even if he is sincere in this continued skepticism that a former President could continue to lawfully occupy the White House he has shown himself to be utterly resistant to reason and fact. It is probably more fruitful to argue with a toddler at this point.
Stranger
I wouldn’t call what I’m doing “arguing”. The thread is past it’s prime, so joking around is perfectly acceptable.
Do you mean separate from the employment agreement? … I doubt it … the President’s privilege to live in the White House residence is implied by the Congressional approval of the Electoral College voting results all those years ago … is your definition of “lease” too narrow to include the President living in the White House … then my apologies … I should have used the word “contract” more universally …
Jackie Kennedy wasn’t dragged out of the White House on Nov 23rd, 1963 … I’m honestly surprised anyone would think it would have been lawful to do so …
The terms “lease” and “contract” have specific definitions when applied in a legal context. This is no other “more univerally” meaning when it comes to their application in law.
Stranger