Apparently “Not in the actual Bible.” isn’t a standard that needs to be uniformly applied.
Yeah, Death did enter the world, so yeah, Adam could die. That is different than G_d killed him for eating the apple, since Adam lived to be over 900 yo.
IF he hadn’t ate the apple, would he still be alive today?
Who threatened him with death if he ate of the apple?
Seems you’re taking the serpent’s side - ‘see, you didn’t die …today’
Either way, God killed Adam.
If I tell you that if you jump off that bridge you will die, and you do it anyway- have I killed you?
Do you have the power to choose whether jumping off a bridge will, or will not, kill someone?
Ya know, the thing that God does have the power to do?
Did you build the bridge, design the laws of physics such that them jumping off would impart lots of forces on them, design the human body such that it would not survive impact, and design the human mind such that jumping off the bridge would be irresistibly tempting to them? Oh, and create an evil and super-powerful-but-not-as-powerful-as-you being with the express purpose of having him tempt as many of your creations to jump off bridges as possible?
Because without all of those other factors your analogy falls apart.
What I really don’t get is how anyone can get around this tiny, little, problem.
If God is not responsible for Adam & Eve’s deaths, regardless of when,
Then it was the Serpent that told the truth and God lied.
And the Bible is pretty clear on the concept of God being a liar . . . when it wants to be. Not that I have a problem with a Biblical eisegesis that acknowledges that Satan tells the truth and God lies. But that ain’t the “Not in the actual Bible” standard that’s, apparently, being selectively applied.
I’ve also been told, many times, that nothing happens in our Universe unless God wills it to happen. The whole ‘eating the apple’ thing was God’s way to allow the sin and death He created to enter the World so that He could, eventually, become Jesus and solve the problem He intentionally created.
That would mean theres no Free Will, which I could be convinced of.
I think God would have been proud of adam and not Eve for obvious reasons and Eve would have been sent out of the garden or she would have perished on the spot and Adam would get a new companion and then they’re generation would pass down until it reaches the Gen Z and we would all be living in the garden with the warning of not to eat the fruit and there would have been no world wars or anything bad that is happening in today’s world
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Pandora really dropped the ball. Come on, who opens a box without checking what’s inside first? Rookie mistake, Pandora!
Imagine if Pandora had a bit more of a scientific mindset! She could’ve been like, “Hold up, let’s not get ahead of ourselves here.” Instead of just flinging open the lid, she could’ve cracked it just a tiny bit, peeked inside, and thought, “Hmm, looks like trouble.”
Then, donning safety goggles and lab coat she’d extract the contents into a flask, like a pro chemist, and set up a makeshift distillation apparatus and centrifuge. After some intense fractional distillation, she’d be left with a crystal-clear distillate of pure hope. Evil could have been left simmering in a flask somewhere.
Of course we don’t know what would have happened. However, perhaps God will release a sequel to the old Testament that includes some What If? stories.
Uh, canonically, yes, Eve took the first bite. Did you not know this?
Hang on. What is “sin”? I’ve been taught that sin is separation from God. That didn’t happen until they took that bite.
Ok, but what if that definition isn’t correct. Then what is sin?
Maybe sin is evil. Ok, but what evil did Adam and Eve do? Is disobeying evil? Is your puppy evil for peeing in the house? It doesn’t know what you mean when you tell it not to.
That also means that all babies are inherently evil. But usually Christians view babies as pure and untouched.
Also, you’d be saying that evil was already in the world. But how did evil get there? Are you saying God put evil in the world? So it was a trap.
Also, we’re Adam and Eve sinning all along, but they didn’t realize it so God didn’t punish them, but as soon as they learned the difference between right and wrong, it was time to punish them for learning it? That seems… harsh.
Ok, but what if sin was the act of disobedience, so sin entered the world when Adam disobeyed God. Great, except Adam didn’t know the difference between right and wrong. So how could he know it was wrong until after he did it?
Ok, maybe Adam and Eve were so innocent, they couldn’t conceeive of “disobeying”. They were told not to do that and so they would never conceive on their own of taking a bite. It took Satan introducing them to the idea of doing something they were told not to.
Great, except Adam and Eve are too naive to know what lying is. So it was really Satan that introduced sin, A and E didn’t know what they were doing until after they did it.
And so God punished them for being too naive to ignore Satan.
How did evil get there? Satan rebelled.
I take a very different view of the story. Eating the fruit robbed Adam and Eve of their innocence and purity, and that’s a GOOD thing. Babies are innocent and pure, and everyone loves them, but at some point they need to grow up and start taking responsibility for themselves and others.
If they hadn’t eaten it, they would have lived blissful lives in Eden, constantly communing with God. And how boring would that have been?? It’s like the Christian notion of Heaven; nobody wants to sit around all day playing Psalms on the harp on Earth, why would we expect people would be happy doing that for all eternity?
Eve eating the fruit wasn’t a “sin”, it was her acting on her natural, God-given human curiosity.
In the Bible, it portrays the expulsion from Eden as being a horrible punishment meted out by a wrathful God, and no doubt Adam and Eve experienced it that way, just like a child experiences bedtimes and vegetables as cruelty. But it was all part of God’s plan to create a human race with the capacity for independent thought and action.
For God’s endless amusement, I suppose?
Eve was framed. Adam too.
And the thought just occurred to me that Eve was really a clone of Adam, so the sin was for finding out that they were practically siblings. No wonder God got pissed… 
Thank you for that explanation. It’s the best one I recall hearing. They now feel vulnerable and want protection, i.e. to hide the sin.
There’s nothing about a rebellion from Satan in the Bible, there’s even nothing to suppose that the snake in Genesis 1 even is identical with Satan. That’s all much later fanfic.
The two were adults wandering around naked. I’m sure some weird form of incest was going on, seeing as Eve was formed out of Adam’s own rib.
But they were human, not married and presumably had sexual desires. That apparently is sin.
(all hypothetical, I don’t believe in the creation story)