I see what your saying. The intent of the telescoping steering wheel is so that as you move the seat forward to reach the peddles, you can move the steering wheel forward to get it out of your face. Doesn’t seem like it’s enough though.
After the iOS 9.3.1 update I lost a ton of data from my iPhone, I’d say that’s pretty shitty quality.
The kinds of quality problems Model S owners are reporting would have any conventional car (especially one from Detroit) dismissed as a piece of junk. It’s the same as BMW; it’s kind of a meme in car circles that you don’t want to own a German car which doesn’t have a warranty. But people like the cars enough where they can overlook the downsides. And that’s fine, I’d just prefer they’d be honest about it.
eta: and see, you’re doing exactly what I groused about a few posts up. You’ve picked a “team” and now you’re attacking anyone who isn’t on your team.
Since Golf carts aren’t cars your explanation of this bit of logic should be interesting.
As Tesla walks back some of it’s initial standard options on the Model 3 and people realize they won’t be getting the Federal rebate because of the previous sales of other Tesla cars there’s going to be a greater cost gap between the Model 3 and most all other EV’s available.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the tax credit is extended (unofficially because of the Model 3). So I’m officially predicting it now.
The kind of problems reported concentrate on squeaks and rattles, which naturally become more pronounced in a quiet car. This hardly constitutes being dismissed as a piece of junk (especially one from Detroit). All other problems related to battery and drivetrain are all covered by warranty. Also cars mentioned as having lower than average reliability include the Corvette. If this is your definition of what constitutes “a piece of junk” then we’ll have to respectfully disagree.
It’s not that “I’ve picked a team”. I’m not attacking any one, just lousy unfounded argumentations. Now can you back up your assertion obtectively that the Model S is a mediocre car?
That Yahoo article is a bunch of nonsense. Free supercharging was never on the table for a midlevel sedan. Same with autopilot, it was always expected to be an option, same as with other cars that sport similar capable navigation systems. The majority of the cost of any autopilot system is in the software not the hardware. Hardware is cheap to produce. Making it do something intelligent is the expensive part. So you have the option of paying or not for the service, and probably subscribe to the system at a later date after purchasing. The safety rating section is pure speculation. The high safety ratings of the Model S come thanks to generous crumple zones all around the vehicle, which the Model 3 shares this architecture, so there is no real world indication that the case would be different. Jumping to conclusions because a word or two were changed on a webpage is nonsense.
There’s no way you can be objective about that. You tout the straight-line acceleration, and it’s true that the Model S P90D with Ludicrous Mode is mind-boggingly impressive at that. But when people take them to road courses, which is my preferred method of racing entertainment, they tend to lap slower than Miatas until they go into limp mode 3 minutes into a lapping session due to battery heat. As a comfortable, daily-driveable drag car, I would subjectively rate the Model S as “off the charts phenomenal.” As a performance car in general, I would rate it well below “mediocre;” I actually wouldn’t rate it at all because it’s inability to turn a decent hot lap without breaking renders it useless.
It’s superb at being an electric car; it’s pretty bad at long trips. It’s superb at smartphone integration and internet connectivity; it’s pretty bad as a luxury car.
Personally I think “mediocre” is a bit unfair, but it’s really hard to place it on the spectrum because it’s just so different.
Ok I see what you are saying. To be fair though, people who take their cars to the track do so as a fairly serious hobby, with supporting equipment, spare parts, a whole kit of things for a racing weekend. Having a racing weekend in an electric car requires a different set of supporting equipment, which is still being hashed out (ie spare batteries with supercharging and cooling equipment, etc). I think at this point ICE and EV racing is kind of like comparing football and hockey: both sports require different sets of peripheral equipment, and EV racing being so new best practices and such are still getting determined.
Now check this video Tesla Model S P85D Laps Nurburgring In 8:50 – Video
Why should all of my statements make as much sense as any of yours?
The Yahoo article mirrored what was said after watching the announcement.
Tesla changed the wording on the website for a reason. It was misleading.
Because I laid out a cogent argument and you posted something seriously stupid in retort. The EV1 was clearly built prior to Tesla cars. It was purpose built to gauge public opinion and received a great deal of publicity as such. None of the GM cars to follow were built to compete against Tesla cars which were specifically built as expensive sports cars. The Volt and Bolt are extensions of the EV-1 and cars like the Leaf and not the roadster. They were going to be built regardless of the Roadster.
That’s not what the top GM vehicle designer at the time says, but I’m sure you know better than him. Right? Damn lying again executives, not agreeing with you!
And yet he didn’t build a competitor to anyTesla cars. And his opinion of Tesla is dismalat best. His opinion of their financial situation makes mine look positively glowing.
But that isn’t the question. The issue is whether the Volt and Bolt sprang out of the EV-1, as you claim, or from other cars, as I claim. Here are some direct quotes from Bob Lutz:
As you can see, both Wagoner and Lutz thought EV-1 was a reason NOT to do the Volt.
So it was Tesla, not EV-1, that convinced Lutz that practical EVs were possible.
Speaks for itself, eh?
But I’m sure there’s lots of quotes from him saying that the Volt exists because of EV-1. Tons. I’ll wait for you to post them.
What is shows is that Lutz had the idea independent of Musk. And it shows because the Bolt will deliver at least a year ahead of the Model 3.
Neither of your statements make any sense.
Suuuure just like Newton and Liebnitz :p:p
You still haven’t provided a shred of evidence that the Bolt will be mass produced though. If Chevy delivers a single Bolt a year ahead of a Tesla Model 3, that proves nothing. Let’s see some actual planned production numbers.
Your question literally makes no sense. It’s going on sale this year. They have the capacity of 50,000 cars. You’ll be able to drive one to a Tesla store a year later to look at Model 3. Not that you’ll be able to drive a Model 3 home but hope springs eternal.
By the time the Model 3 hits the streets GM will be on their 2nd or 3rd year of production.
See, I wanted to do a 200-mile-range concept car, essentially what Tesla did, except mine was going to be a four-door sedan…
50,580 Model S sales in 2015 => niche
Theoretical 50,000 Bolt sales per year => mass market