I’m sorry, would you prefer i meet your SJW with flowers and comply with their demands? Not happening!
I sleep fine thank you.
Do you always conduct conversations with your imagination? I told you exactly what I thought would be proportionate. It may be easier for you to win arguments against imaginary people who say imaginary things; but if that’s how you plan to continue, I’ll leave you to your imagination.
I do not care what you think is proportionate, this was a question of what i would do. Not a “what do i care what Left_Hand thinks”. Do not imitate force and expect, no demand no consequences to your actions.
Spiffy non sequitur. (edit: unless it’s intended to explain why you’re responding, not to me, but to the imaginary person who says imaginary things. Perhaps you care about what that imaginary person thinks and therefore respond to them?)
It’s clear that you think that if you feel threatened–even if there’s no legal threat–you’re entitled to respond with violence. Fortunately the law disagrees with you; and as inexcusable as those assholes’ behavior was, the only thing keeping yours from being worse is that yours is purely tough talk on the internet.
Are you stalking me? Are you upset you cannot get someone to comply with your demands? Do you feel threatened because of it? This entire topic was a what would you do in X situation, and you are going out of your way to attack me for my position, why is that? Yeah if i feel threatened i will respond and I am pretty sure the law will agree with me, and by law I mean the courts and police not you.
Initiate not imitate. sorry lousy typist and speller, missed this.
Left_Hand_of_Dorkness “may be easier for you to win arguments against imaginary people who say imaginary things; but if that’s how you plan to continue, I’ll leave you to your imagination”. Left_Hand_of_Dorkness
Yet you seem to be stalking me and trying to argue that the questioned I answered was not the actual question or I answered wrong, why is that?
Given the above, I’m not sure you should trust your ability to determine if a mob is threatening . . . or a mob for that matter.
As I said, I’ll leave you to your imagination. It’s a shame how Fox News has shaped so many conservatives’ imaginations to be so silly, to reduce all disagreement to a handful of caricatures and to be unable to recognize that those who disagree with conservatives don’t fall into those caricatures.
This thread is a sign of their success. I don’t know how to get US conservatives to start seeing the people in front of them.
Let me understand you properly, redhook77. I’m going to attribute an opinion to you, and you can tell me whether I have you right or wrong. You’re willing to meet the mob’s escalations, but you aren’t willing to throw the first punch.
When a mob of people comes up to you, gets in your face, and makes a demand, your reaction will not be to cave in. You would respond in-kind by demanding that they get out of your face / go away.
If you have inferred a threat of force behind the mob’s demand, your reaction might also include body lanugage or explicit verbiage that threatens them with physical violence. Like, say, maybe you stand up and make a fist while shouting back. (I hope you do not brandish a concealed weapon however)
When it comes to actual violence, however, you won’t throw the first punch. You will only “respond to their force […] and defend” yourself. I think that means you are willing to stand there, face to face with protestors, shouting at each other until 1) protestors back down, 2) protestors actually attack you, or 3) police show up.
I may be mistaken, but I believe… if only you two could get over this petty bickering… you have significant common ground with k9bfriender.
~Max
I think I am reasonably confident in ascertaining redhook77’s position: that the intimidation itself justifies his or her fear of injury, and therefore constitutes a threat of force not in the legal sense, but in redhook77’s own mind.
~Max
Redhook made it quite clear that they are perfectly fine initiating physical contact.
Isn’t making a fist what the protesters were demanding from the diners?
Depends.
If the customer stays on his side of the sales counter while yelling up a storm, well, he’s just a noisy jerk.
If the customer comes around to your side of the sales counter and gets ten inches from your face to launch his tirade, I would think it reasonable to feel that there is a threat of imminent violence against you, even in the absence of an explicit verbal threat.
There are at least a couple of people in the front line of that mob who fit the latter description; their posture, vocal volume, and extreme physical proximity are all intended to intimidate the victim into compliance. I think it is reasonable to feel physically threatened under such circumstances.
I don’t have Fox news. Any other things you would like to attribute to me?
That’s fantastic. Whatever’s shaping your refusa to read what I’m actually saying, though, it’s a real problem. When I talk about how you could respond in kind, and you instead think I’m talking about offering flowers, that’s a sign that something’s keeping you from reading any sort of nuance: either people are in agreement with you, or they’re cartoon villain social justice warriors.
Fox News is one way that this sort of dichotomous thinking is encouraged among US conservatives, but obviously it’s not the only way.
Moderator Note
redhook77 and Left_Hand_of_Dorkness, please focus on the topic instead of making this personal between the two of you.
Will do, and my apologies.
Yes, me too. I’d chant whatever the mob wanted, whether it was BLM or MAGA, and hope they left me alone. I also find these responses quite odd. Why escalate the situation when you are hopelessly outnumbered?