Nice work. Did the straw scrape your knuckles when you punched it?
I am not really sure what point either of you are making. I was not making any sort of comment on the politics of people who are in porn. (I would not be surprised to learn that the plurality of them, of the men at least, are libertarian-conservative, but I don’t really know, or even care much.) I was expressing my disgust at Crafter_Man’s conception of good parenting, and noting how this ties together with his well known (on these boards) conservative political views.
And yes, contingency being what it is, bad acts (such as your cousin’s parents disowning her, if that is what you mean by “her family’s unhappiness with the choice” - and if you don’t, it is just a non sequitur) sometimes, lead to good consequences, just as the road to hell is often often paved with good intentions (and the good acts that flow from them). It does not follow that bad acts and intentions aren’t bad, or that good ones aren’t good, it just means that consequences are not reliably predictable. Maybe, being an RN, she will save the life of the guy who goes on to become the world’s next Hitler. Does that make her being an RN a bad thing? No.
I’d be upset and worried, basically for her safety and future. Making porn commercially is still generally a low-life type of industry, rife with legitimate concerns about disease and various types of abuse, or at least so reporters state. Plus, with the internet, it is hard to shake as a history - later in life, if you become successful at something else, someone is likely to make the link.
I was just offering it as a data point. She was a friend of the family, the daughter of my dad’s boss. This was back in the days of 35mm porn, aka “porno chic”, when porn still aspired to be genuine movies.
Strawman? You gotta be kidding. It was a direct and valid response to the post he cited.
Excellent! then you won’t have any problem quoting the portion where I made the claim he refuted.
So much misinformation in this thread. The Honest Courtesan, a blog by a former escort (i.e., a prostitute, not a porn star, but I can’t imagine the people posting here who disapprove of a career in porn wouldn’t have the same concerns about a career as a prostitute) takes the position that some women simply like sex, like men, and like money, with no degradation occurring, just a natural affinity for sex, men and money that turns into a lucrative career. Her problem with being a prostitute is mostly the way cops victimize prostitutes, either by raping them or shaking them down for cash, or just arresting them. It’s a VERY different viewpoint than held by our conservative brethren, and I would argue, a MUCH more informed one.
She’s a topnotch writer, and from some of the things she has written, I suspect she either once was or still is a Doper.
BTW, wasn’t there a Doper porn star a few years ago? A low-level porn star, named Alexandria or something like that? Or maybe it was a poster on Salon.com.
P.S. I don’t have a daughter, I have a son. If he went into straight porn, I’d point out some of the potential pitfalls but let him make his own decisions. I’d especially point out the short shelf life of porn performers and the way some people view any involvement in the sex industry as ground for throwing you out of a job, because of the sex rays, you know.
If he went into gay porn, I’d talk a lot more about AIDS and other STDS. I’m not really worried about either issue, it’s not in his character, I don’t think. But I like porn, but unlike others I’ve done some research into women who go into porn. I also believe that people do have different natures, it’s not all nurture, and some people are just a LOT more interested in having sex with a lot of other people, than other people. We are not all the same, not even our offspring are just like us. That’s what sexual reproduction is intended to ensure, ironically enough. No surprise that it works, is it?
I’m happy to, though I am surprised and a bit suspicious that you did not see something so obvious. You said:
Your post has an implied logic:
- Jenna Jameson is a leading successful porn actress
- Jenna Jameson is alleged to have drug problems, has been arrested for battery, and has lost two homes to foreclosure
- Therefore, if this is what the most “successful” porn performers are like, what must the less successful porn performers be like?
You never actually SAID that but it was CLEARLY implied by your post, and it’s a bit disingenuous of you (and that’s absolutely the nicest way I can put it) to pretend that you never intended any such implication.
DragonAsh quite properly and energetically demonstrated that many successful celebrities have had the same set of problems, clearly implying that it’s not a prostitution issue, but maybe a fame issue.
Don’t go making points that have very direct and clear implications and expect the rest of us not to pick up on them, or try to deny that those implications exist. It will not garner you any respect on this board. Au contraire.
You may rest easy in the knowledge that garnering your respect falls near the end of my personal to-do list.
I neither said nor implied anything about a “prostitution issue”(?) nor suggested that there are no mainstream celebrities with personal problems. In the future, if you wish to construe my words to mean something other than what they say, I can’t stop you, but I urge you to keep it to yourself.
I’ll check it out, thanks!
Brandy Alexandre perhaps? She was quite active on Usenet and was proud of building her own web site. She was a pretty decent writer.
I see. Prithee*, *wouldst thou be so kind as to tell us what you meant by saying that ‘it doesn’t help…’ and why you put ‘success stories’ in scare quotes?
Evil Captor has summarized exactly what your post clearly said. Any attempt at claiming otherwise is disingenuous at best.
His (1) through (3) are a reasonable summary. Your post, which he defended as a “direct and valid response,” was an eye-rolling rebuttal to an argument I did not make.
I humbly suggest that we all move on with our lives now.
I am disillusioned!
Well what, pray tell, did you mean by your post, if not what I inferred?
Disappointing.
Isn’t that kind of thing pretty much the norm for “success stories”? Especially anywhere near the entertainment industry? Famous musicians and successful non-porn actors are not exactly known for their prudent behavior.
As I recall disease isn’t really a significant problem; the performers are tested constantly. You’re more likely to get an STD from non-porn sex; which in fact is where porn stars almost always pick up an STD, off the set.
Former porn actress Sharon Mitchell used to run Adult Industry Medical, which performed PCR AIDS testing. Most every studio required a recent test from AIM to work, and when an actor turned up HIV+, Mitchell shut shooting down until everyone could be re-tested (the actor contracted HIV shooting in Brazil).
Sadly, some jackass hacked AIM’s database and published it, including the real names of some 12,000 performers. The subsequent lawsuit caused AIM to declare bankruptcy. Not sure who is the most trusted testing service now.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Buck Adams and Amber Lynn were real life brother and sister. I think they were in a few movies together. But not in the same scenes. That would be illegal. 
I’d be very disappointed if my daughters choose that career. Primarily because of the internet. There’s no escaping your past anymore. I’d hate to have that kind of material follow them around the rest of their lives. My grandkids would have to live with that stuff out there too.
I’d worry about the facial recognition (no pun intended) software out there like Google’s Picasa software. With a fast enough computer, one could extract all the images people have posted on Facebook against all the videos posted on porn sites.
One wonders what the percentage of overlap would be? With digital photography, digital video and webcams the odds that naked pictures exist of anyone between the age of 18 and 30 is rapidly approaching 1:1.
The way they tell it, they had to “come out” a few months into Buck’s career (she went into the business before he did) when one of them was informed that un-clued producers had cast them together, as in, together. One can imagine a “WAIT!WAIT!!WAIT!!!” audible outside the building and across the street. They did share the screen a couple of times but only in strictly expository-dialog scenes, or one going out the door as another was walking in.