Who is being victimized exactly, and in what specific way?
I would subject the All-Blacks to a withering dose of Canadian scorn. Which is operationally indistinguishable from standing there with a small smile as if to say ‘Are you quite done yet? Can we get on with the game?’
Read a book, check your iPhone, or maybe do a crossword puzzle.
what an odd question. I’m not sure why there has to be some specific harm before I can find something distasteful.
Frankly, I don’t seen how the haka is any more or less intimidating, silly, imposed upon others, etc. than any other sports custom.
Based on your previous post, I assume that you’d prefer they didn’t continue doing the haka because ‘tradition’ is poor justification. I’m saying that unless there is actual harm being done, ‘tradition’ is pretty reasonable justification in this particular instance.
It’s important to keep in mind that this is entertainment for spectators. It’s expected in the same way that the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders are expected at a Cowboys football game. Is it necessary? No. Is it slightly silly? Yes. But as with most traditions, you continue to repeat it because that’s the expectation.
Once, just once, I’d like the Springboks to respond with a Zulu war chant. Specifically this one.…
Quite simply because the Haka is a challenge -
if you’re doing it in the dressing room, who are you challenging? the Towel boy?
On top of that - it is part of the entertainment of the match, so it would be a shame to see it discontinued.
As mentioned many many times already - if there is any sort of tradition, challenge or whatever that the other side does - then bring it! This is not something unique to the All Blacks.
But the “noise” is continuously targeted at them -
Almost all of it we now view as simply silly gamesmanship to try and upset the best team in the world.
For a less than serious response, see posts #19 and 20 in this thread
…it is part of one of the oldest traditions of our species, right up with pouring one out for your homies. In the US we have our women–the cheerleaders–issue the challenge, but that’s ancient, too.
Yeah, another antique! Probably tens of thousands of years old, invented the day after the haka.
you are still avoiding the question. I’ve never said do it in the dressing room.
what would be the problem with the all-blacks doing it as part of their warm-up?
i.e. the anthems are the very last thing before kick-off.
No-one gets any psychological advantage, no-one is forced to stand around waiting for kick-off to allow another team to do their thing. The crowd aren’t sort-changed, the opposition team can simply ignore it if they like, then both teams observe equal and neutral official niceties and off we go…what could possibly be the problem with that? It is surely the best of all possible scenarios and the all-blacks can’t possible be missing out unless…unless they really are seeking to gain advantage from demanding it be done immediately prior to kick off and as part of the official ceremonials.
Or unless unless…
It really does scare you?
Now try and come up with a reason why that isn’t an appeal to tradition.
Not that it really bothers me. By all means do it, just don’t try and pretend that you aren’t being indulged. You are.
I saw England should follow the “spectacle” with ironic morris dancing. I mean, that goes back to the fifteenth century, it is our history blah blah blah.
So, Wales tries to, AT THEIR OWN GROUND, directly reference the tradition from the very first meeting of the teams and the result is … the All Blacks have a hissy fit and refuse to do it in public.
How is that not an example of their sense of entitlement and how they have been indulged? I mean, seriously.
Avoidance duly noted.
Doing what you want, performing in private is a “hissy fit”?
No making you happy is there ?
“Not that it really bothers me. By all means do it, just don’t try and pretend that you aren’t being indulged. You are.”
Learn to read, fella.
That was meant to be “I say”, in case anyone was wondering.
You anti-haka folks need to get your stories straight. Novelty Bobble argued that NZ are being indulged because they get to do the haka on the pitch. Now they’re being indulged because they didn’t do it on the pitch?
I agree, for the record, that not doing the haka properly was childish. But it’s a great tradition and I hope they (and Tonga, et al.) keep doing it in perpetuity. As a kid who grew up brown in a white country, it was pretty much the only time I saw white people tipping their hat to the culture of a brown people.
I’ve been following this thread with some interest but no particularly strong opinion.
I do think though that this example shows a certain amount of churlishness and unsporting behaviour by the All Blacks. They’d been informed well in advance what the order of events was going to be, and going against the wishes of the Welsh on their home turf at the last minute does strike me as a little petulant and designed to cause a fuss.
A great shame, because the haka is an awesome spectacle, as is the Welsh national anthem.