What's going on in Cleveland?

In Cleveland, there has been a lot of talk on the primary talk radio station here, WTAM (AM 1100) about chemtrails, vapor trails, and odd arial activity, such as seeing fighter jets where they are not commonly seen, or normal commercial air activity where it is not normally seen. Many of the theories suggest something may be going on with area (nuclear?) powerplants.

Also, the Cleveland homeland security threat level is HIGH (http://www.city.cleveland.oh.us/emergency/securityadvisorysys.html), whereas the national threat rating is only ELEVATED (http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/).

No other area media outlets appear to be covering this issue - TV, other radio stations, newspapers, etc.

Anyone know what’s really going on???

The “chemtrails” part of it is pure tinfoil hat territory. If you want to see the depth of the nonsense, try here.

Ohio is a battleground state… Cleveland is the largest single population center and traditionally Democrat… but female voters are starting to get spooked by the Republicans… could be a ploy to incite paranoia and swing more voters over to GWB.

Our friend told us about the chemtrails and odd green/yellow lights spotted (all reported on that station).
My son is interested in any ufo reportings so thats why he told us.

I hope its just tinfoilers.
I also hope Cleveland is not targeted!

I figured this thread was going to be about East Cleveland Mayor Saratha Goggins, who has just been revealed was convicted of killing her boyfriend in 1982. Goggins just took office, having succeeded Mayor Emmanuel Onunwor, who was convicted of corruption charges.

I checked out that sight. Whoooo boy. :rolleyes: Are these people serious.
Chemtrails? Chemtrails!!! Sylphs!!! Soooooo the emission trails from airplanes are actually chemicals used in a plot to prevent us from reaching higher consciousness? ummmmm… I need a drink.

If I’m not mistaken, the Cleveland air show (which always features the Blue Angels or the Thunderbirds, at the very least) was two weeks ago. So yes, there would have been fighter jets where they are not commonly seen.

But yeah, you could say that Cleveland is traditionally Democrat. A few years ago, while I was still living there, there was an election for Mayor, where all five of the major candidates were Dems. But if you’re looking at Cleveland as a population center, then you should also include the suburbs, which mostly tend to be further to the right.

Just one thing (criminal) after another!

These observances were last week, long after the ending of the air show. Still no other media attention that I can find.

In case anyone is wondering what these trails look like, here are some pictures posted on the WTAM website:

http://www.wtam.com/vapor.html

That looks like a typical day around here. We have relatively low overflights from Philadelphia, Harrisburg and Baltimore all the time.

The chemtrail nonsense isn’t limited to Cleveland. Radio personality and UFO/conspiracy nut Art Bell was talking about them the other week.

Cecil on chemtrails: Are jet contrails the latest threat?

Oops, lets do that link again: Are jet contrails the latest threat?

does Bell broadcast in Cleveland radio?

The contrails are normal for the area. There have been odd claims that only fighters fly “high enough” to leave trails (which would come as a surprise to all the WWII bomber crews who left trails about 12,000 feet lower than the standard airliner, today). I suspect that (as usual) the story is more mundane. We have had almost two weeks of extraordinarily clear skies around Cleveland, ever since Ivan wandered through and washed the smog out of the air. (I do not know why the air has been so clear, but the weather has been odd all year.) Typically, the hundreds of contrails that cross over Cleveland each day tend to be lost in the haze and most people do not spend much time looking at the sky unless it is called to their attention. I do not know what the green and orange lights were that accompanied the beginning of this silliness. (I only heard about it a day and a half after it started and I will not listen to WTAM on a bet.) However, once the motor mouths started harping on the topic, people who have not looked at the sky since they were five years old began looking up and “seeing” the contrails for the first time. Enhanced by the clarity of the skies, people who have never paid attention to their constant presence overhead have been “amazed” at the numerous contrails (that are no more numerous than usual).

Interestingly, my most vivid memories of the WTC/Pentagon attacks focus on the skies. The storm front that went through New York the night of September 10 came from the midwest and left the skies very clear for several days (much like this year) and I remember being amazed for several days at how the sky looked without the constant contrails. (That and the solitary jet path that crossed from Chicago or Milwaukee toward Washington D.C. on the morning of September 12.)

Yeah on WTAM! And 11 other stations in Ohio alone.

Here’s a possibility…Independence Air at Detroit Metro Airport, in late August, added several daily flights to Washington-Dulles.

I am trying to find a map of the flight path that would take. It MAY very well pass directly over Cleveland. If it does, that, coupled with the clear skies tomndebb mentioned, may partially account for an increase in vapor trails.

These so-called “chemtrails” are just vapor trails/contrails from aircraft. And they can form surprisingly low. I read somewhere about an instance in Hawaii where local conditions were perfect for their formation and they were forming as soon as airplanes lifted off, meaning you had contrails starting roughly at ground level and continuing upwards. If I can find a cite I’ll post it.

As for the criss-crossing and circling… airplanes can’t park. If they need to wait to enter an airspace they do it by flying in circles. It is not unusual for them to be told to circle above a designated point on the ground - thereby freaking out the tinfoil hat types below when really it’s nothing to do with them. Saying “Circle over the lake” or “circle over the stadium with the white roof” provides an easier visual cue to a pilot on a sunny day than saying “circle over a point marked by lat XXXX and long XXXX” even if they do have GPS on board.

As for “unusual locations” - well, there could be a variety of reasons for that they average ground-pounder is unaware of. For instance, while in my area winds are usually west-to-east, a period of wind from, say, due north or east-to-west or due south can required a change in traffic patterns at an airport so airplanes will use a runway more in line with current wind conditions. This means, of course, their approach to a landing will be different than usual which can generate contrails in other than the expected places. Nothing sinister about that. in fact, the rationale here is increased safety.

Another reason might have to do with radar, or lack of it. I’ve been airborne once or twice when the radar system over Chicago has gone down and, to increase safety, air traffic control will spread out the traffic which means airplanes in unexpected locations. And while they’re sorting all that out they may well stack 'em up in convenient locations which, again, means circles over unexpected locations and much consternation among conspiracy theorists.

And, finally, there are “TFR’s” or “temporary flight restrictions” that pop up these days for many reasons, among them around presidential parties, major league ball games, and due to hysterical city mayors. This sets a large area of sky “off-limits” to airplanes (size, shape, and height varies) and while they affect jets less than smaller planes, they, too, can result in air traffic being shifted to areas it’s not normally seen, or many more planes than normal traveling over a certain area. If someone “busts” the no fly zone you will, these days, get jets in pursuit, meaning you’ll see them where normally you don’t.

Note that among these chemtrail enthusiasts you never get a pilot. Why? Because pilots know 99.99% of this is weehocky. They understand changing traffic patterns and holding patterns without needing to subscribe to whacked-out conspiracy theories. Airplane exhaust and the occassional blue ice bomb - well, I guess that is “weehocky” of a sort - aren’t good for you, but unless you’re directly behind a running jet engine you’re unlikely to get enough exhaust (or heat) to kill you, and the blue ice - that’s strictly a wrong-place-at-the-wrong-time thing. Heck, a group of tourists on a Chicago boat tour got doused with something similar from one of the Dave Matthew’s Band tour bus recently while going under a bridge so it’s not like eliminating airplanes will totally eliminate that hazard.

Me too. On days where it is a perfect, deep blue up there and not a cloud to be seen, I have been known to comment, “It’s a September 11th day.” I also remember marveling at the lack of contrails. I pointed it out to my daughter, telling her, “This is what the sky looked like 100 years ago.”