That’s just the start of it. And of course, as one would expect, before the Civil War, the 2nd Amendment didn’t apply to Black people at all. Even as early as 1792 “gun control” meant that whites could arm themselves as they pleased, while Black were forbidden from any firearms whatsoever.
It is better to be at the devil’s right hand than in his path.
It’s puzzling that you think that of me. We should not visit extrajudicial punishment on anyone. That much should be obvious. I was refuting the notion that every possible objection to what a person considers equality is based on wanting to retain absolute advantages.
To these people, if one of the (brown) migrants assimilates into the culture and marries their (white) daughter, that’s Replacement.
I know about the reading and writing, and various other restrictions. What I’m asking about is “they would wreak vengeance on the whites for the way they had been oppressed”. I think this suggests Southerners considered slaves human and conscious of oppression, as opposed to thinking of them as “chattel” (similar to “cattle”). Today we don’t think our domesticated livestock will wreak vengeance on humans if given the chance, we don’t give them that kind of credit. I think of Southern dehumanization of slaves as part of their system, with attitudes like “they can’t take care of themselves” back then, and “they’re happier with their own kind” today (which is common in the north as well). I’m interested in this chink in the wall of dehumanization.
As far as the thread topic goes, while the conspiracy theory is ludicrous, there are plenty of possibilities as to what will happen:
- The expansion of what is considered “white” will grow. I don’t see this as being very likely since it would require consensus amongst people and many people don’t want to discuss this, unlike in the 19th Century, and the trend, if anything, is going in reverse.
- There will no longer be a racial majority in America, with more - or perhaps the same, or, obviously looking at the sad history of the human race, even less - harmony than today.
- Another possibility which I haven’t seen mentioned is that the concept of “white” becomes so anathema to talk about that people no longer consider themselves as such, leaving “Lumper” historians for succeeding generations to force-fit the last few centuries of history into the biggest topics of their day, much like Marxists look at everything through a grand framework of class conflict.
Whaaat? Everyone knows that England was the home of the Anglo-Saxons and the Normans, and everyone knows that the Anglo-Saxons and Normans originate in England, fully formed, and that the lands of Saxony, Normandy, and Anglia (the peninsula in Germany, not the latin name for England) have the same names by simple coincidence!
WHY do they see immigration as negative, though? It always comes down to one of two things: racism, or falsehoods believed about migrants (probably due to racism, but let’s not speculate). For example, the idea that migrants increase crome, even thoughthis is factually untrue. Why is it such a widespread belief? You really telling me it has nothing to do with the skin color of migrants?
What about the fact that many on the Right are under the (again mistaken) impression that all the migrants are coming streaming across the border when in fact most migrants come in legally and overstay their visa?
Fact is, there’s a REASON why people on the Right are vulnerable to these false beliefs.
Thanks for demonstrating David’s point so well.
I know what you mean, with my Jewish relatives. They did abandon Trump as of 1-6-21 (Really, the Trumpists chanting Nazi slogans should have done that, and I’m still flabbergasted it did not) but not the GOP as a whole.
I keep running across this quote lately…“We’re not asking you to shoot them like you shoot us we’re asking you NOT to shoot us like you DON’T shoot them!”
As I did a bit more reading, I think “replacement” is the wrong word. They need a word that conveys “we’re going to become the minority”. I wanted to say “marginalization” since I think many on the right will un-ironically claim they’re being marginalized the very moment they get treated, even in the most minor sense, the way currently marginalized groups are treated by them. But with how powerful the group is, I think becoming marginalized, if it ever happens, will be decades after they’re in the minority.
What non-racist historians would like us to know, and those of us who push for progress in the US even beyond “originalist intent” is that while Old World immigration was accomplished through invasion, American should be peaceful. Migration by slave ship, and Irish death ship was wrong, Indian removal was wrong, Asian exclusion, redlining, etc etc we’re wrong. But the remedy is to do better, not turn back the clock to a White America that never was.
I know your point is to tell the White Supremacists that racial purity, and any race’s superiority, is a bullshit concept. But you make their argument for them when you point to nations whose mingling was mostly done by force.
That’s the absurd part, but that’s also the part that’s critical to the claim. If it’s just happenstance, and nobody’s actively trying to make it happen, or nobody’s actively trying to stop it, it loses all of its punch.
But by making it be an intentional thing, they get to portray the other side as white people’s enemy, either by claiming that they’re trying to replace YOU, or by claiming that they aren’t looking out for YOU because they’re not trying to hinder all these non-white people.
I’m personally curious to see how the growth of the Hispanic population in Texas plays out; there are a LOT of conservative Hispanics out there, and I don’t know which of two things will happen- either the GOP will “whiten” them, and start considering them as white for rhetorical purposes, or if they’ll tone down the rhetoric w.r.t. Hispanics.
Jokes about Anglo-Saxons aside, I wasn’t even talking about that. I’m talking about why there’s a lot of Dutch and French surnames in East Anglia, where the Jews in the Middle Ages came from that were later kicked out, etc. Completely non-invasive immigration. It happened all the time in Europe.
Fear of a Black Avenger By Ta-Nehisi Coates
One of the corollaries of white supremacy, in this country, is the idea that, should black people ever get power, they will immediately enact revenge among the white populace for all the years of toil, rape, murder, slavery, and terrorism. The notion is at least as old the antebellum South, and probably older. Large-scale slave rebellions were quite rare, but the fear of slave rebellions was so thick in many states throughout the South that, in the years leading up to the War, every able white male – slave-holder or not – had to serve on the slave patrols.
The Anatomy of Fear: The Christmas Day Insurrection Scare of 1865 by Dan T. Carter
Throughout their history white southerners have been haunted by an unsettling fear of the black men and women in their midst.
Fear of black retribution for slavery provoked tremendous stress among white Georgians in the summer of 1865: “Everywhere there were vivid secondhand accounts of armed blacks drilling in nightly conclaves, waiting only for the signal that would trigger a coordinated massacre sometime during the Christmas holidays.”
In total, the state executed 55 people, banished many more, and acquitted a few. The state reimbursed the slaveholders for their slaves. But in the hysterical climate that followed the rebellion, close to 200 black people, many of whom had nothing to do with the rebellion, were murdered by white mobs. In addition, slaves as far away as North Carolina were accused of having a connection with the insurrection, and were subsequently tried and executed.
The state legislature of Virginia considered abolishing slavery, but in a close vote decided to retain slavery and to support a repressive policy against black people, slave and free.
That’s not supported by any evidence. It was convenient to treat them like chattel, but Southerners were far too well aware of slave intelligence, resourcefulness, bitterness, and rebellion to think for a second they were cows.
Yes, you don’t need to come up with complex systems of oppression to keep animals from causing trouble. The American system of chattel slavery was designed, from the ground up, to keep sentient humans manageable as property.
Read the Narrative of Frederick Douglass (or any first-person account from that time, really), and see if you come away still feeling that southerners underestimated them in that way.
Your claim was:
Before the Civil War, Southerners wrote millions of words warning that if slaves were allowed any freedoms, including learning to read, they would wreak vengeance on the whites for the way they had been oppressed.
None of your quotes cite a single word written by Southerners before the Civil War warning that if slaves were allowed any freedoms, including learning to read, they would wreak vengeance on the whites for the way they had been oppressed.
What you’ve cited is several non-Southerners writing many years after the Civil War attributing this sentiment to Southerners, and also evidence that Southerners were concerned about slave insurrections.
Do you have anything for your specific claim?
I think this short article and its associated bibliography might answer your question:
I would argue that, whether or not ‘Southerners wrote millions of words,’ their deeds (laws, enforcement mechanisms, and punishments levied) betray their intentions rather unambiguously.
For insight into what it’s like being white in post-supremacy society, is there some way to summon our board members in Hawaii? I lived there over 30 years ago, so I could not give my experience from then full relevance to today.
Amusing how all of a sudden so many white conservatives can see color.
When it was convenient for them to pretend that racism had already been eradicated, meaning that all the de facto continuation of substantial white advantage and white privilege in American society could be ignored and denied, then they were happy to claim that race was such a trivial phenomenon that they personally couldn’t even detect it.
But as soon as they became aware of an aspect of racial difference that could possibly be disadvantageous to themselves, then boy oh boy, could they see color.