What's the difference between urban legend and religion?

I was trying to define the term “urban legend” for someone, when it occurred to me in the back of my mind that I was elaborating and over-qualifying my statements to exclude religious belief.

My definition was along the lines of “an urban legend is a widely repeated story that has little proof, or proof that has been distorted by imperfect word-of-mouth. Even though an urban legend isn’t true, it has a compelling element that people want to believe, so it takes on a life of its own. Very often, the urban legend is reported as historical fact, or … uh… as something that happened to someone the speaker knows through a friend of a friend…” and here I began to waffle.

Where did I go wrong? Or did I? Is there a difference, and if so, what is it?

FISH

Religions actually tend to have rural origins.

Urban Legends are falsifiable. That is, they are specific enough to be tested for truth. Religions may have falsifiable pieces, but the core of the belief is not specific enough to be proved false.

Well… urban legends don’t have to have a supernatural element, which is pretty much de rigeur for religions these days…

also, in the cases of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, & Bahai, actual people are documented as claiming to be witnesses of these things- it’s not “a cousin of a friend of my uncle’s mailman”.

Religion has an element of devotion or loyalty to it, while an urban legend is merely believed to be true, with no emotional strings attached (except, I suppose, the desire not to get this long-held belief disproven, which is more of an inertia thing than a love or fear of the religion).

We talked about this a little in a folklore class once. Urban legends differ from religious mythos in a couple of fairly basic ways, although there are pretty strong similarities which have already been laid out.

First off, mythos tends to be fairly static, while urban legends tend to be very fluid. The stories a religion tells don’t change. Religions pick a story and stick to it, for lack of a better phrase. Jesus turned water into wine 2000 years ago, and the story hasn’t been updated to include whiskey and Coke, or rocks into cheese logs, or whatever. Urban legends, however, change with the times, updating themselves to fit current events. The black-guy-in-the-elevator-with-the-two-old-white-women story, for instance, has been told about every black celebrity from Reggie Jackson to Eddie Murphy to Dennis Rodman.

Secondly, as has been pointed out, religion by definition contains an element of the supernatural. Urban legends, however, tend to revolve around stuff that can be explained entirely by human nature, the good bits and bad bits. The heroes don’t win out because they’re blessed or divine–they win out because of luck, or cleverness, or bravery. The villains aren’t devils, they’re maniacs, or stupid people, or satanists.

Also, religion tends to give us the names of specific people who did specific things at specific times. We can’t really verify these names and dates because of lack of historical records, but we can tie them to specific historical events. Urban legend tends to be more amorphous, involving my cousin’s friend’s father’s boss’s roommate, this woman in Denver, or the ubiquitous friend of a friend. No names or dates, usually, and if there are names and dates, someone else has heard the exact same story with different names and dates.

There were some other differences, but the class was five years ago, and they escape me at the moment.

I do, however, remember the professor going through this huge list of common characteristics of the heroes in folklore–most of them applied to figures from ancient religions like Hercules, and every single one of them applied to Jesus. Make of that what you will.

Urban legends are just stories while Religions are moral codes which guide the behavior of believers.

I’m surprised at the OP, actually. Even for me, a fairly non-religious person, it’s pretty obvious that a religion and an urban legend are not remotely similar.

A religion is a set of specific beliefs about a spiritual concept that includes a code of behaviour. It includes many beliefs on a variety of subjects, often in uncountable number, and almost invariably has much to say on human conduct. A religion is a guide for how to live one’s life. (Not that it’s always followed.)

An urban legend is just a phony story that some believe to be true. It’s only ONE “belief,” doesn’t have an associated code of behaviour, and isn’t necessarily supernatural.

Well, actually, Rick, urban legends often do have an implicit moral guideline and code of behavior in them. The stupid, the wicked, and those who deviate from the norms of society get punished. The lazy students who try to lie their way into a makeup final get caught by a wily professor. The hook-murder gets his hook ripped off (and the naughty parking teens almost get killed, 'cause sex is dangerous). The guy trying to get it on with his secretary gets caught naked at his own surprise birthday party. These are cautionary tales, and they warn us not to act like these people lest we come to the same bad ends. In other legends, cleverness or virtue gets rewarded.

To dismiss them as just stupid stories is somewhat misguided. I mean, those parables Jesus was always coming out with were phony stories, too, but we generally accept that they had a deeper meaning.

Urban legends are not necessarily “phony.”

Yep, although you forgot one lesson: Them city folks is crazy. Cities are full of gangs and rapists and gang rapists and thieves and axe-weilding men dressed up as women.

And sometimes they do have a supernatural component. Off the top of my head,

The missing day in time
The hole to hell
Dancing with the devil

If we add glurge to the mix we get tons of religion, usually in the form of cute puppy dogs calling God to help save a cute little boy who is dying of ostensiomultisplerosiasis.

How to create an urban legend, try this:

Tell ten persons (family, friends, people in your daily rounds) this experience:

One day that story will come back to you as an urban legend.
About urban legends and religion, the first is to keep our idle mind busy and entertained, the second is to invest our mind and heart with hope of assistance here and after death. Now, wise guys put urban legends of a certain kind into their religions.

You want to know ‘religious’ urban legends, go to a prayer meeting and you will hear testimonies which are in many instances no different from urban legends, except they give hope of assistance in this life and after death, from the unknown power believed in.

So, urban legends are components of religion, and religion gives rise also to urban legends.
Susma Rio Sep

*I made up this story myself and told my in-laws once, on the occasion when I was driving them home in a lonely night; they took it seriously. On reaching their home, I told them it was all made up by me to entertain them during the lonely drive. Did I somehow get it from somewhere? Tell me if you know of a similar story.

Ooo, that’s gotta sting.

Be surprised if you like, RickJay. I want to make it clear that I know there is a difference between the two, but while trying to define an urban legend aloud, I somehow got twisted around the axle and felt myself adding mental qualifiers. It was along the lines of, “It’s something people believe that feels good but it isn’t true… except religion. It’s something that’s reported falsely as historical fact… but it’s not religion.” There had to be something wrong, I felt, with the way I was defining it.

Someone else online argued that religion is a specific subset of urban legend, along the lines of UFOs and Elvis, but I wasn’t prepared to go that far.

Anyway, I see the explanations here make more sense to me than I made even to myself. Next time I pull an Isadora Duncan I’ll come here first. :slight_smile:

FISH

What about this one:

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Know of any more self-made urban legends?

Susma Rio Sep

*I told that legend already somewhere in these forums.

Susma, that one’s hilarious! If you don’t mind, I’ll wash the stench of the BBQ Pit off and send it on to a few appreciative friends and family.

CJ

Siege:

Thanks for the compliments.

Don’t forget to mention my name; I am rather vain about my authorship. Ha ha ha.

Susma Rio Sep

To judge by the examples cited so far, I’m not sure that ghost stories should qualify as urban legends, per se.

An urban legend would be more like something that is commonly claimed to be a historical fact, such as the claim that it was common for “Help Wanted” signs displayed in shop windows between 1850-1920 to have a “No Irish Need Apply” qualifier.

Senator Ted Kennedy, among others, has claimed to have seen these signs in his youth, although coming from a fairly wealthy family, it seems unlikely. We’ll disregard for the moment how stone/bullet proof these shop display windows were.

In the last decade, the major newspapers of most major east coast cities between 1830 -1900 have been scanned and recorded for posterity and searches have been made for the magic phrase “No Irish Need Apply” (or variations thereof). Two examples have been found, so it is not, strictly speaking, completely an urban legend, but it is highly doubtful that Senator Ted Kennedy really saw such a sign. He was caught cheating in his Harvard exams, after all.

I won’t post a link. Do your own Google search. Try the word “true” or “false” with the magic NINO phrase mentioned above.