I know they make cocaine out of cocoa leaves but how exactly do they do this? What is added and how?
Also is it illegal to have cocoa leaves in your possesion if you are in South America? And if you chew on them do you have the same high as being on coke?
I know know weird questions but my best man from my wedding was in town and we always have weird discussions.
They make them out of COCA leaves, not COCOA leaves. The difference is ever so slight.
Well, first, it’s coca, not cocoa. Cocoa’s what they make chocolate out of.
From what I remember from junior high about heroine et al., it’s actually the flower buds they use. They look like rose hips. People slice them around the equator with a knife and the sap runs out. They scrape the sap off and boil it down to make heroine. That gets refined to make cocaine, methedrine, codeine and other cool stuff. The workers sometimes keep themselves happy by chewing on the leaves.
I’d say that possession of any part of a coca plant, even the tiniest of roots, would be a Very Bad Thing in most countries.
Cocoa production I know nothing about. What’s that say about the american school system?
I don’t know how they process cocoa leaves to make cocaine, but I do know that it was not illegal to be in possesion of the leaves in Peru as recently as 1994. See, my mom went there with some friends and I now have these delightful photos of 50-something women munching away on cocoa leaves under the thatched roof of what appears to be a nice tourist bar. Move over, Dali.
Anyway, mom said they got a little buzzed–nothing more.
I new it looked funny when I typed it. Of course I meant “coca” not cocoa.
And they make heroin from coca leaves to? I thought it was made from the poppy plant. (probably spelled poppy wrong too)
Crap! I should have known better than to copy WB’s “cocoa”. That’ll teach me to be lazy.
Your mom chewed on coca(ha ha I spelled it right)leaves? Wow and she told you.
<----beside myself with laughter. Okay, first of all, Heroine is the spry young gal in the blonde pigtails who is tied to the freaking RAILROAD TRACKS, awaiting the arrival of either Dudley Do-Right, OR GingerOfTheNorth ( me, I chose her as my heroine of heroine;s any day ). HEROIN is an opiate, and derivative of the POPPY plant. NOT the coca leaf, OR the cocoa leaf.
Poppies begat Opium. Opium begat Heroin. ( Along with laudinum and other delights of the 18th century. Nice to see that people used their Alchemy skills to a (cough) high end ). You find a way to get heroin from coca leaves, you call me up. I’ve got some lead I need converted into gold, m’kay? 
Now, what does THAT say about the American school system???
Oh god, Wildest Bill, you just have to admit that if you’d never said anything about American schooling, this wouldn’t have happened to you at all. <cackle>
I’d guess you meant to say, " I knew". Additionally, it might have worked better if you’d just said,
instead of what you said.
(Take two)- So, what does THIS say about the American School System? Where the hell did you GROW UP???
<—amused, and hoping you are at least a little. And not for nothing, but I get a slapping around for not reading to the bottom of the thread before being a wisenheimer about the poppy/heroin thing. You nailed that, and I missed it- sorry. Still chuckling, though. 
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Ethilrist, Heroin is derived from Opium which comes from the opium poppy. This process is pretty much how you describe and leads to Morphium, Codeine, and other opiates…
Coccaine however comes from the coca leaf, and is removed with the aid of a base (if I recall correctly) in the form of a salt. If you were chewing the coca leaf, you would also need the catalitic base to release the drug from the leaf. The natives I believe use calcified lime for this process.
So what WB is asking, if I read this right, is how to manufacture Cocaine from the coca plant?
Am I wrong here? Hmmm, let me check the OP again…
Wildest Bill said,
Yep. Looks to me like this thread will be closed before I finish typing this sentence.
Would ya’ll give me a break. I didn’t get much sleep last night ok? I’m tired. I said I meant coca not cocoa.
mutter… grumble… I said I was going from memory, here… geez…
and I still don’t know how they make chocolate. And don’t give me that bit about the chocolate waterfall or anything!
If this thread stays open, I’d better take advantage of this atmosphere and begin another thread. See, my business is, uh, narcotics. I have fields in Turkey where they grow the poppy. And in Sicily I have the plants to process them into heroin. I’m just wondering about the exact procedure…
They use coca leaves to make chocolate or is the cocoa or is it coca…
No they don’t use leaves it does come from Willie Waterfall. oompa oompa dipity dee.
Hey man, I’m sorry. I’m on 4 1/5 hours of sleep in the last 29 hours myself, I was just messin’ with ya.
As for the question of how it’s made? PLEASE, let’s not go there, it’s in direct violation of the Rules of the Road…
As for how chocolate is made, THAT I can answer with a slight degree of expertise, having witnessed it once.
I shot a job for Nestle’. I stood in a room that was FILLED with these low cylindrical machines, that stood a few inches over troughts that were set into the ground. Cocoa paste- the extract of god knows what part of the plant- was packed into these machines, and then with extremely HIGH heat ( we’re talking, the rubber lens shade got soft on me ), they press out the cocoa oils, leaving behind a thick packed pastey goop.
Then, ya add yer sugar, yer other flavors, and yer millions of additives that ya find on the candy bar wrapper. I kept thinking of the term “isomerizing”- high pressure extraction of oils, a la something my cousin used to do with hash when I was a kid. :eek: It did indeed change the consistency and oil content of the cocoa extract.
Wish I could tell you more, but that’s what I saw and shot. And, learned how they make the little curl on each and every Nestle’s toll house morsel. However, I’m not permitted to share that information. They’re watching me…always watching me…
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I heard, too, that you can get coca leaf tea down there. Supposedly if you take your coca in that form little if any health risk will attend you.
That’s cool.
Is it really against the rules? I didn’t know that. I mean I learned about it Jr High(forgot it) but I still learned it in Jr. High. Why would it be against the rules to know how it is derived from the coca plant? Manhattan is this really against the rules? I mean I don’t want a step by step method or anything. I just wondered how they do it?
Why would you even WANT to know this, Bill? Those Mexican Fat Burners just not doing the trick anymore?
amazed to be even able to still post here
Why because I told you that me and this friend of mine were having a conversation and it came up. And both of us really didn’t know but I told him about this board where people were really smart and could probably get the answer in a few minutes.
Now as far other questions about anal fisting why people would want to know that REALLY BLOWS MY MIND but I can’t ask this?