Well, Democritus was (essentially) right about atoms!
Whats the most (closest to) concrete evidence for the existence or non existence of life after death
I remember an interview from a few months ago with the explorer Ranulph Fiennes - posh Englishman, formerly a high church Christian wit every breath he ever took - who died for quite a few minutes before finally being jump started again.
He became an atheist after that experience on the ground he had died, and there was nothing at all.
Meh. A trivial observation. Either matter can be divided forever, or there is a smallest object. There were those arguing on both sides–one of the two sides had to be right. (Ignore for the moment that the atom is divisible.)
That’s kind of sad, as it goes too far the other way! There are many Christians who hold that, after death, we sleep dreamlessly until called back to our bodies at the Last Judgement. His experience does not contradict that at all!
I did post it with a wink.
I don’t think we have any concrete evidence. The idea of Life after Death emerges from our inability to clarify how we Humans engage our reality.
In this thread: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=816550 I ask how many Dimensions of Reality that Humans engage as we go about our day. I believe that we perceive 3 Dimensions: the Physical, the Subjective (Consciousness), and the Ideal (e.g., Numbers as abstract objects).
Now, we limited Humans have very different POVs about how these different Dimensions function together and relate to one another. Determinists believe that all things emerge from the physical/material reality - e.g., Consciousness is a byproduct of physical processes. Others believe that the non-Physical Dimensions have their own existence in some form or fashion.
So: since we perceive different Dimensions, but can’t fully understand how they emerge and reconcile, we have fuzzy knowledge (at best) at the fringes.
It is within these fringes that concepts like God, Life after Death and other concepts outside our material world exist.
Beyond that, folks that want to believe in Life After Death have nothing. There may be something there - I mean, what the heck do I know? - but we have nothing concrete to “prove” it.
I’ll Go out on a Limb and say Not This.
Dude, whatever. So glad you got an opportunity to nitpick over capitalization. Enjoy.
If the account in* Heaven is Real* is to be believed, the boy undergoing surgery was able to know that his father was having a phone call in another room while the surgical operation was going on, and also was informed that his mother had previously had a miscarriage (which his parents had never told him about.)
Again, ***if ***the account is truthful and not fabricated, which is the big if.
It isn’t, if it’s anything like it’s companion testamony.
And also, Jesus has a rainbow pony.
There been people frozen in lakes in ice and brought back to life. And have no memories.
Heh. That story links to another blog post about it, here. Sounds remarkably like the story about the “Yogurt Factory” my younger brother “worked at” that he told about when he was 4 (same age as that kid), and I was 12. We (his older siblings and his parents) would ask him about the “Yogurt Factory”, and he’d spin tales you could actually check (that he supposedly wouldn’t know, but did… somehow…), and some of the things actually checked out (most didn’t). For example, he mentioned that the “Yogurt Factory” was in a building on O’Connor Road that actually still existed. It had been abandoned for years, but the building was still there. I don’t remember what it was used for, but they never did any dairy processing in it, let alone make yogurt. Still, he insisted that “Yogurt Factory” was what the building was used for, and he worked there. Etc… etc… etc.
People who believe these kinds of ‘stories from kids’ properly receive the mocking they deserve.
What does that have to do with people frozen in lake than brought back to life?
Nothing, which is why I quoted the post I was replying to, instead of yours.
It is who you talk to.
Ask Parmenides a 5th century philosopher he states or argues that “nothing” cannot exist by the following line of reasoning.
He states to speak of a things or people one has to speak of a thing that exists. Since we can speak of a thing in the past, this thing must still exist (in some sense) now!!! :eek::eek: And from this he concludes that there is no such thing as change.
Saying here can be no such things as coming-into-being, passing-out-of-being, or not-being.
Socrates and Plato also supported that views.
Well Sartre claims consciousness cannot be an object of consciousness and can possess no essence. Saying equating nothingness with being leads to creation from nothing and hence God is no longer needed for there to be existence.