What's the quality of an exotic sports car?

I was wondering what the quality of an exotic sports car is in terms of materials used and craftsmanship. When you’re paying $200k or up to half a million dollars, exactly what do you get other than a race-inspired, super hi-tech, finely tuned engine and a body made of carbon fiber or aluminum? I’ve never sat inside a Ferrari or Lamborghini, and the ones I see usually happen to drive by me, so I don’t know how well the body panels line up and what sort of tolerance is acceptable in these types of cars.

I’m sure I can buy a car that probably exceeds the quality of an exotic, like the Mercedes SL. Is part of the price of an exotic just raw power, exclusivity, and bragging rights?

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Through history, quality was pretty much nonexistant. The expectation was that your supercar was going to spend more time up in a maintenance bay than on the road. In the past couple decades, quality has improved by leaps and bounds. With many exotic automakers owned by larger conglomerates, the fit and finish of say, a Lamborghini Huracan will be the equivalent or better than anything else produced by Audi. The rest of the car is the same as the engine - finely tuned. A wiggling body panel at 200 miles per hour is bad news, and the cars have to be engineered to work at that performance, even if 90% of the cars produced will never top 80.

That being said, these cars are throwing 600+ horsepower through a “lightweight” chassis and suspension, testing the limits of driver more than the car. Unless you grossly overengineer everything - antithetical to the low weight, high power formula - shit is gonna break eventually, and sooner than it would on a Honda Accord.

I’ve been around a lot of these type of cars and if there’s any car that I’d expect to have misaligned panels, it would be one of these because that’s not what they’re built for. Enzo Ferrari famously said “I don’t care if the door gaps are straight. When the driver steps on the gas I want him to shit his pants.”

They said, from what I’ve seen, new ones seem to be just about like any other car in terms of workmanship. Some probably pride themselves in above average tolerances and probably deliver, but generally, they seem like any other car to me. Used ones are almost always a little funky in some way because it’s hard to find good people to fix them and after waiting two months for a new hood from Italy, if it doesn’t fit right, you just go with it. But new ones have always seemed fine to me.

The materials are often a lot nicer. Instead of plastic knobs and vinyl panels on the interior, you’ll see more metal and suede and a lot of attention to little details. But they’re all different. Some of them feel like spaceships when you’re in the driver’s seat, some of them feel like finely crafted luxury cars, some of them feel like a Chevy.

But then there are the high-end Vettes, built on assembly lines, priced well under most exotics and with a GM warranty. Last time I looked, a Z-06 could keep up with the pack, and a ZR-1 could outrun half of them. At good MPG, drivability and durability. So fragility is not a requirement.

I once did one of these experiences where you could drive exotics on a race track. The owner of the business told me that Aston-Martins were very bad quality, always in need of repair.

Cite for the part I’ve bolded? Driving 100 mph on California freeways was not unusual in the late 20th century. I daresay anyone who can afford a Lamborghini can afford a speeding ticket.

Then made fun of Ferruccio Lamborghini for being a tractor maker. At which point Fruc said Fine, sell your idiot customers uncomfortable race cars; I’ll build them real supercars.

In the ten-year retrospective on the Countach, Car and Driver pointed out that it succeeded so well in its niche that everyone else just gave up for more than a decade.

Correct. My mom’s Pinto and my dad’s Dodge Sportsman van would go 100. The Cadillac hit 115.

Enzo Ferrari’s panel gap comment was for the F40, which is a special car for special reasons that are hard to explain. The ‘shoddy’ workmanship was a sign of a race car, in which lightness and ‘flimsiness’ was a strong and deliberate characteristic – one which propelled it to its legendary status as probably the most iconic of all enthusiast super cars.

Some exotic things which fetch exotic prices:

Carbon fiber tubs
Carbon fiber body panels
Hand stitched and custom-fitted leathers, seats, etc
Aluminum
Drivetrains, engines and suspensions on the bleeding edge of technology and power-per-liter or weight-per-strength
Carbon Ceraminc brakes (10-15 grand, but Vette manages them cheaper, yes)
Limited production
Wheels and tires developed specifically for the exotic model (Gotta pay Michelin big bucks to have them develop a tire for a car with 299 units!)

People love to use the Corvette as an example, and sometimes the Viper, and these top of the line exotic car killer models from Chevy and Dodge crack 100 grand… but fall short of exotic prices.

What they don’t offer is exclusivity and the last bits of customization and leather work. Carbon fiber and aluminum? Yes… but a lot less.

On the drivetrain, the Vette might have an old school hydraulic automatic (and a damn good one), but it doesn’t have a dual-clutch automated manual not far removed from the F1 team.

On a Ferrari, the suspension tech licensed from GM (magnetorheological) is taken to dizzying levels of performance that required extensive, expensive development = $$$

The problem is this: When you are producing cars that pull 1.2 Gs, accelerate to 100 KM in 2.2 seconds and pass 205 MPH, to extract the extra .1 G, the 2 MPH and a tenth around a track, you need 50-100 extra grand in bleeding edge performance.

But don’t underestimate the hand-crafted materials and the exclusivity. Ferrari won’t sell you a new Ferrari. Come back when you’ve owned at least five used Ferraris and they’ll consider selling you one.

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They don’t quite say that Lamborghini was the only one producing supercars; they say that other makers conceded the market in terms of sheer extremism, especially when it came to appearance.

In head-to-head comparisons of actual performance, there wasn’t really much difference between the Countach and other high-end sports cars like the Ferrari Berlinetta Boxer and its successor, the Testarossa. The Porsche 911 Turbo had a reputation for being incredibly frightening to drive, especially for the inexperienced, and it was at least as fast as the Lamborghini through most of the key acceleration points (0-60, quarter mile, etc.). Even the Aston Martin Vantage of the early 1980s kept pace with the Countach in a straight line in this 1984 comparison.

I worshipped the Countach when i was a kid, but it was really the looks that set it apart. Most reviews, especially modern reviews that evaluate the Countach in light of recent developments, are critical of its crappy driving position, terrible visibility anywhere except straight ahead, and sheer annoyances when driven anywhere except a deserted open road. Many similar criticisms were leveled at V12 Ferraris in the 1970s and 1980s.

As for the OP’s question, others are right that exotic cars tend to be better put together and more mechanically reliable these days, partly as a result of corporate ownership and the quality control that has come with it. Also, the expansion of the market, with so many wealthy people (especially younger ones) able to afford these cars, has made quality control more important.

Most people who buy cars like this put a couple of thousand miles a year on them, at most, and generally put those miles on while cruising city streets, heading to or from a Cars and Coffee meeting, or making a Sunday afternoon drive to the beach. Very few owners track their cars, or even come close to testing their performance limits. They buy them for their looks and their cachet, and when they spend a quarter-mil on a two-seater embodiment of their net worth, they don’t want it breaking down in traffic or otherwise embarrassing them with shitty panel fit or oil leaks.

This is something of an exaggeration. It applies to the limited-run hypercars like the LaFerrari or the 599XX, where you need a prior relationship with the maker to be considered, but not to the more common models like the F430/458/488 model progression. Porsche does something similar for its limited-run cars like the 918, the 911GT3RS, the 911R, etc.

That’s not to say that it’s always easy to buy a new Ferrari, even of the base models. But this is simply a matter of supply and demand. As more people, especially more young people, have lots of money, demand for Ferraris has risen faster than production, and it’s Ferrari dealers (not the factory) that tend to give priority to long-standing customers. But anyone can put their name on the waiting list, and when the established customers have their cars, if there are still new Ferraris available, you will be able to buy one even if you’ve never owned one before. A few years ago, there were dealers having trouble moving some of their Ferrari Californias, because it wasn’t really a popular car by Ferrari standards.

I bet you can even repeat the Pia Zadora line. :smiley:

It frightened Danny Ongais. He said he’d drive the hell out of one… in a straight line.

“Whats-a behind me… is-a not important.”

When i was in my 40s, I friend and I from work drove over to see a Ferrari advertised for sale at a local dealer (not an exotic car dealer). We drove up in my newish 5 series BMW wearing nice suits, looking, so I thought, quite worldly. The Ferrari was right inside an open door and the salesman saw us as we drove up. We walked around, admiring the lines from very angle. I tried the door handle of the sleek spyder and found it locked. The salesman, who was quite attentive, never even offered to unlock it. They know.

Dennis

On the very extreme hypercar end of things, take a look at the handcrafted build quality of the interiors, body panels, etc on cars like the Pagani Huyara: http://www.caranddriver.com/photo-gallery/2013-pagani-huayra-first-drive-review#55

Or the Bugatti Chiron: https://www.google.com/search?q=bugatti+chiron+interior&espv=2&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiLsuHml-vSAhWI34MKHZLBBqoQ_AUIBigB&biw=1920&bih=974#imgrc=KDsepdUkhRRnrM:

These are works of art.

The F1 Jag is quite nice too - a very pretty car and capable of 160+mph. No doubt someone will be tuning them to get to 60 in under 5 seconds and top the 200 mph mark.

All for less than £60,000 too.

http://www.jaguar.co.uk/jaguar-range/f-type/convertible-models/index.html

The new Jags (I especially like the F-Type S AWD version with the supercharged V-8) are beautiful, sexy cars but apparently are STILL plagued with electric/electronic issues as illustrated by Car and Driver’s long term report on an XE Jag here: 2017 Jaguar XE 40,000-Mile Long-Term Test

For sheer art in the interior, I like the Spyker:

Dennis

Oooooh…shiny! It kinda reminds me of a 22nd century version of a late 70’s Trans Am interior with that reflective surface…1978 trans am interior - Google Search

I may still have that issue up in the attic somewhere.:smiley:

No tuning necessary. The V8 version of the F-Type gets to 60 in under 4.0 seconds out of the factory.

A previous thread of mine on the topic.