What's the quickest (affordable) way to become fluent in a language?

For a variety of reasons, I’ve been looking for a new hobby, and I’m pretty sure that what I want to do is become really efficient at communicating in a new language. I live in Los Angeles, so the opportunity to practice whatever language I chose would almost certainly exist.

I want to avoid enrolling in a college class because I want to go at my own pace (I tend to pick up language fairly quickly in my experience). I am not opposed to hiring a private tutor, but I also don’t know what they cost, and I’m doubtful I can afford it. But perhaps you all can tell me differently.

My main choices right now are Spanish or Japanese. I have a number of years of experience in lower level Spanish classes in elementary and high school, so I have a basic vocabulary and a decent understanding of the language’s grammar. Japanese just intrigues me, and although I know it would be much harder to learn, I know it would keep my interest.

So if you were in my position, with essentially your nights and weekends free, but a somewhat limited budget, how would you go about it?

Realistically, make lots of native-speaker friends, go to their movies and bars and parties, and read their books. Try writing a journal in your target language.

Ideally, go to a country where the language is spoken and immerse yourself in the culture. I arrived in Turkey with nothing but a guidebook of useful phrases. Did I become fluent? No. I wasn’t there long enough. But could I make my way around Istanbul? Hell yes. I HAD to pick up words quickly in order to survive. Otherwise I couldn’t order food or ask for the bathroom. Necessity is amazing for your language-learning skills.

I don’t think there is any way to become fluent in a language without immersion. I studied Spanish for nine years in school. I thought I spoke Spanish. Then I arrived in Spain and I realized I knew nothing! I would say about three months of immersion will make you fairly fluent in a language.

Er, “travel to a place where the language is spoken” is nice and all, but it isn’t exactly the most low-budget option, folks.

In any case, “fluency” is a bit nebulous a term, but it is by all means possible to learn another language to the point where one can have intelligent conversations on a wide variety of topics, read books, watch films, etc., all without ever setting foot in a country in which the language is spoken. It simply requires practicing regularly, and making efficient use of the resources around you. And in Los Angeles, you should have quite a lot of available.

A few general tips:

Do NOT bother with formal classes. I’ve never met anyone who successfully learned a language with these without doing significant self-study on the side–and even then, they probably could have saved a good deal of time and money dropping the class portion and simply devoting more time to studying on their own.

Take advantage of your local library system. You’d be surprised what you can find here, often hidden in some far of branch (but easily delivered to a closer location) or in online form or somesuch.

Use the internet. Seriously, there is a TON of material here, much of it for free. It’s also a great way to meet native speakers, fellow learners, etc. The internet is the best thing to happen to language learning in decades.

Use a variety of materials. While you might focus primarily on one single “main” course at a time, it’s important to mix in lots of supplements as well. It’s just not possible to fit everything about a language into one book, after all.

Listen. Speak. Read. Write.

Some good “main” courses:

  • Pimsleur: A pure audio course for beginners (and as a beginner, you want as much audio as you can get). A little slow and slightly repetitive, but for a first foreign language that’s probably a benefit. Definitely helps with pronunciation, as there’s no (or rather a minimal) text component, so you won’t be trying to match the sounds to those your brain tells you the letter “ought” to make. Stupidly high price makes it a phenomenal rip-off to buy in stores, but it’s almost certain your library will have it, at least for more common languages. Won’t get you that far, but what it does teach you, it makes sure you internalize.

  • Foreign Service Institute courses: Created by the US government to train diplomats. Cheap-looking, but public domain. Mind-numbingly boring and insanely repetitive, but very, very effective. You WILL have a solid basis after finishing this–again, not complete fluency (no single course can bring you that), but an extremely good basis to build upon. Takes a little discipline to get through, but the rewards are high.

  • Assimil: Never really used it myself, but a lot of people swear by it, including some accomplished polyglots. Certainly more entertaining than FSI. Based more on gaining an intuitive understanding than giving clear-cut grammatical explanations and following them up with practice exercises–a tactic which has both advantages and disadvantages. If you look for this in your local library, make sure they have the critical audio component (my own library system only seems to carry the books, for some reason). I cannot overemphasize the important of audio!

  • Living Language “Ultimate” series: A more traditional approach which manages to be thorough without being boring. Lively dialogues, clear grammatical explanations. Most importantly, though, it’s one of the few contemporary series to continue to offer good courses for more advanced learners, rather than catering solely to beginners.

Once you build up a good basis, try reading newspaper and watching (or listening to) newscasts in your target language. The latter, especially, may seem difficult at first, and you’ll need to look up a good many words, but you’ll get used to it in time, and it will boost your vocabulary and listening skills by a phenomenal degree. After a while, you’ll want to start seeking out local conversation groups as well (libraries and universities are a good place to find these). Remember, nothing will improve your language skills more than actually using them!

Finally, don’t let yourself get discouraged. Sometimes you’ll run across periods when you don’t seem to be making any progress at all, and it seems a though no one could ever remember all these words and grammatical rules. But take heart. It is possible, and you can do it. Anyone can learn another language–it just takes dedication.

(Also–Spanish or Japanese? Those are on complete opposite ends of the scale. In any case I really don’t recommend Japanese as a first foreign language unless you’re really, really sure you have the drive to learn it. Your first language is going to be hard no matter what–but Japanese is just taking things to extremes, as it’s so completely different from English in every way. It is possible to learn Japanese without prior language experience–a very good friend of mine succeeded in doing so–but it requires some serious dedication, and I’ve witnessed far to many people giving up because they had underestimated its difficulties).

Learn the pronunciation, that is the accent, above all else. You can be as grammatically correct as you like but if you come across with a foreign accent, it doesn’t his the right buttons. You can make the most god-awful grammatical screw-ups as long as you do it with an accent they understand, even if to you it feels embarrassingly fake.

Castillian Spanish is WAY different than California Spanish, Texas Spanish, or plain old American Spanish. I’m not even going to mention “spanglish”. Oops.

I agree with Miss…Miss…You. Immersion is the best way. That’s how I learned German.

A month of immersion can do what one year of study can do. If you can’t do immersion (and there are some very affordable language schools in Mexico and Guatemala) the next best thing is to make lots of friends with native speakers. Talking to people is really the only way to get any real skills. If you learn Spanish, this should be pretty easy in LA.

Really, don’t do Japanese. Humans are wired to learn language through use, and you are going to get a lot more use out of Spanish than Japanese. Learning characters is a long process where you will spend months studying your ass off in exchange for no actual improvement in your ability to read things. It’s not just a steep learning curve, it’s a steep learning curve with no incremental rewards, since even after learning hundreds are characters you still are not going to be able to make sense of even simple bits of text.

Not saying it can’t be done. But your second foreign language is always going to be easier, so do something easy first and difficult second.

In contrast to what TorpedoTed said, I would definitely take a class. Some people have a great ear for languages, and some just have no clue just how bad they sound. There’s no point in fantastic grammar if you can’t be understood due to your accent. Also, the only practical way to get consistent practice in conversation is in a classroom setting. Sure, it’s nice to say that you can go down to the Spanish/whatever area of town and hang out, but more than likely you won’t have to do anything more than give your food order. How easy is it to have a conversation with a complete stranger in English in your own part of town?

I believe that studies have shown that studying in an immersion environment is only marginally better than non-immersion (for example, studying French in France vs. the U.S.) at the beginner level. I have no idea why, but I would guess that it’s because you can only memorize so many words a day, and can’t really understand any of the flow of language around you, that it hardly makes a difference at first. But once you pass the beginner hurdle it’s miles better, of course.

All that said, I guess I’m saying that I would take a course to begin with, and don’t feel doomed to failure if you can’t pack up and move abroad for a year. :smiley:

Really? One of the things I found most irritating in the various language courses I took back in high school and college was that nobody ever talked unless directly addressed by the instructor, and even then shakily, with the minimum number of words possible. What’s more, I think classes probably contribute to a worse accent, as a bad accent tends to be reinforced by the bad accents of one’s classmates. More important is to get as much audio input (recordings or in person) from native speakers as possible.

I do agree with you that conversation is essential–but in my experience the classroom is not a good place to find this at all. I also agree that one can’t simply seek out native speaker “in the wild”, so to speak, but that’s why I suggested the aforementioned conversation groups, which have helped me immensely in my on studies. They’re a great way to get some contact with native speakers, as well as to get conversational practice–on real topics, not merely the touristy sort of things that seem to dominate most classes.

Remember as well that you can find lots of native speakers on the internet. Here and here you can find some good language learning communities which will allow you to speak with natives and language learners alike, make contacts, get some suggestions for learning resources, ask questions, etc.

Give up everything and emigrate to where ever…you WILL PICK UP THE LANGUAGE.
Or, you will not be a very happy camper looking for a loo and they keep sending you to a deli.

I’d like to learn a new language too…most people around me don’t even know proper English.

I spent a month in Germany a couple of years ago …

Everybody wanted to practice english with me sigh

Actually, there was a book that was a blast, The Avion My Uncle Flew that actually manages to give the average intelligent kid that likes to read a maybe 70 or 80 word french vocabulary by the time they are done with it, and a sort of understanding of sentence structure. It is about a 2 hour read, not very long at all.

I have found that if I watch movies with the subtitles, and listen to music [concert vid with subtitles in the language works] it helps … I keep what litle german I know active with a few of my favorite german movies [das boot, and M, and Dr Mabeuse are my 3 favorite german movies, and Rammstein’s Live aus Berlin and Lichtspeilhaus work nicely, Till Lindemanns singing diction is wonderfully clear and understandable =) ]

I am on the preset that, if you really really want to, or you really really need to, you can do lots of stuff.

Parachute into Xining China…and have to walk your way towards Shanghai with just a rucksack and a phrase book.
I’m sure you’ll get a good idea of the dialect pretty fast.

The adage is, “The best way to learn a language is in bed.”
Find a lover from that country and watch how fast you learn!

Should that not be an option - I have taught ESL for many years and some learn quite well in classes (those who study) but many don’t study and don’t learn (just come to class and try to fake it).

I agree that the best method is to go to that country and just plop yourself down in an area that doesn’t have a lot of people who speak English (non-urban areas) and force yourself to learn.

Another option (especially for you in LA) is to contact a few local universities, ask to be connected to the Language Department, and see if there are any students from that country who might want to tutor you. It is usually far cheaper than taking classes, you meet at a cafe (or later at your house, or their apartment, if things go well) and learn from a native speaker.

It also helps to watch films/television shows in that language - not so much to “learn” the language as to get a “feel” for how the language sounds - believe it or not, after awhile, it starts to make sense and you pick up on inflection, tone and style of speaking.

I’ve heard being stuck in jail in a foreign country does wonders for language skills.

No matter what, you need to be disciplined and work at it pretty much every day. And another vote for Spanish since it’s one you will actually be able to use in the US in LA.

The classes you take as a grownup on your own are totally different. Everybody really wants to learn, otherwise they wouldn’t be spending three hours a week after work on their own dime in this class. The Spanish class I’m taking now is heavily conversational and I’m really learning a lot. I think immersion into media and conversation and such is a lot more effective if you also have a solid grounding in grammar.

If you’re on a budget then I’d suggest (and have suggested in other threads) setting up a language exchange with someone who is trying to learn English. You would set up meetings where you first chit-chat in only English, for 30 minute or so, and then switch to speaking only Spanish. No official lessons, just conversation. I’m sure that would be pretty easy to set up in LA, you could contact a non-profit that gives ESL classes, or an ESL school, or just put up a post on craigslist. No cost, unless you decide to meet at Starbucks or something, and you get to help out someone else who is also trying to learn.

A formal exchange gives you a chance to have actual RL conversation, but in a setting where it’s okay to ask the other person to slow down or repeat themselves five times over. If you are a beginner then of course you’d need to combine this with some study of grammar and vocabulary. But if you know enough to talk somewhat intelligibly about your family or your dog or your favorite TV show, then I bet you know enough for an exchange.

Our school is using Rosetta Stone, which has been fabulously recommended. We have a very large agricultural company in our town that sends people all over the world, and that is what they use to get their employees up to speed in a dozen different languages.

Rosetta Stone software might be available through the local library. Check with them.

Rosetta Stone no longer sells to libraries. We now have this Mango thing, which I haven’t tried.