And so when someone in an Elections thread actually edits a post to include “All lives matter” in a discussion of the Black Lives Matter movement, in a context that makes clear he IS using it to dismiss said movement, does THAT mean anything?
So if a few dumb people support a cause and say or do dumb things in support of that cause, it makes you decide to not support that cause? Seriously?
That’s fucking ridiculous. So two people interrupted Bernie Sanders, and with a stroke they undo the entire civil rights movement in your mind. Oh, not YOUR mind. Just “some people”.
If you hear “Black Lives Matter” and feel compelling to insist “All Lives Matter”, then, well, I don’t know what to tell you. And the disingenuous “just asking questions” act is pretty sad. You honestly think that “Black lives matter” really means “Only Black Lives Matter”? And you feel an urgent need, out of fairness, to correct that to “All Lives Matter, not just Black Lives”?
The smirking right-wing pretense that they’ve discovered the perfect antidote to “black lives matter”, give up and go home because racism is over in America, is pretty sickening. You can’t riposte “All lives matter” without that smirk, because you all know perfectly well that it’s a bullshit response. The bullshit gives you a warm tingle inside. You know it’s bullshit, I know it’s bullshit, you know I know it’s bullshit, I know you know it’s bullshit.
No movement exists without the occasional fruitcake. It’s impossible.
This just deserves a repost. Love all of it.
What those two people who interrupted Bernie Sanders did was make the world disgusted at them, and there is spillover to their cause. If you actually give a shit about their message, you are duty bound to be repulsed by their actions because it does nothing but turn people off to everything they have to say.
If someone says white lives matter, the proper response is not to send out unthinking guttural boos and hisses and disdain. You should plainly agree, and then point out that in practice black lives are not being treated as though they are equal and matter as much as others. Not to shit on the concept that all lives matter. It’s so monumentally stupid from an argumentative perspective that just on general principle you and every other god damn liberal should be infuriated at how STUPID these people are.
Who says I’m a liberal?
You’d call yourself a conservative, I suppose? When you hear about some conservative jackass saying something stupid, do you worry about how they’re going to alienate all the liberals and fence-sitters? Or do you expect that people should pay attention to the people who make sense, not the jackasses who mouth off?
See, in your mind every liberal or leftist or social justice warrior who says something stupid is a typical example of the cause, and so they taint the cause by association. But a right-wing loon is a just a loon, and has nothing to do with the discussion the grown-ups are having.
Or to put it another way. If an anti-racist dope says something stupid, and your response to that is to become more racist, then your commitment to not being a racist wasn’t exactly super-high to begin with, now was it?
A cause or idea isn’t contaminated just because there are idiots who espouse it. There are plenty of idiots who believe in Christianity, that doesn’t mean Christianity is wrong. There are also plenty of really smart kind thoughtful people who believe in Christianity, that doesn’t mean Christianity is right. John Brown was an idiot who thought the Harper’s Ferry raid would spark a slave revolt and end slavery. That didn’t make slavery OK.
Bottom line, if someone says “Black Lives Matter”, and you feel compelled to explain to them that they’re doing it wrong, it’s not exactly unreasonable for them to conclude that you don’t actually believe that Black lives matter, not the same way the lives of regular people matter.
I assume you are liberal because it tends to be liberals who run cover for these fools.
I’m a liberal, and it seems to be that it’s the liberals that ought to be the most incensed about these people making the entire enterprise look bad by having disrespectful idiots rush on stage with their one issue over everything else or nothing selves. I suppose a cynical conservative would enjoy this spectacle and want to fan the flames of crocodile like support in the way some liberals enjoy seeing Donald Trump be the conservative standard bearer.
Hey, we are incensed about ALL fools.
Very true.
But at least one of these particular fruitcakes (Marissa Janae Johnson) is a member of a splinter group of BLM, whose goal is to bring down the Democratic Party. She is an Evangelical Christian, and a (former?) Palin supporter.
It’s on her Facebook page, and she admitted it in a radio interview on TWIBnation media, where she says her religious convictions “compel” her to do this, and “it doesn’t matter if I was a Palin supporter just before I got up on that stage”.
Food for thought.
Apologies for my previous post since it is somewhat off topic for the OP. It probably belongs in the Bernie Sanders/BLM thread in Elections.
Seems right on topic to me.
Hoohah
Huh. And I was this close to pegging them as Fox News provocateurs.
I’m as amazed as this development as you guys, but it looks like there is actually such a thing as too cynical. Just goes to show that the whole “don’t attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity” is still valid.
I’m not sure who exactly you’re responding to here. The post you quote is mine, but it was also fairly clear that I understand and agree why “all lives matter” is a tone deaf response to “black lives matter.” My post did not contradict this. Furthermore, I agree that if there is to be any productive conversation here, the “all lives matter” folks have to understand this.
But it goes further than this. Communication is a two-way street, and the “black lives matter” folks have to understand how their message is being heard, and what “all lives matter” means when it’s uttered back in reply. It’s not sufficient to dismiss it as tone-deaf (even if it is) or the speakers as racists who actually don’t believe that black lives matter. That is, it’s not sufficient if you want there to be any actual productive changing of hearts and minds. If all you want is to call people “white supremacist liberals” and laugh at them with your buddies, I guess it’s sufficient for that.
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I assume you are liberal because it tends to be liberals who run cover for these fools.
I’m a liberal, and it seems to be that it’s the liberals that ought to be the most incensed about these people making the entire enterprise look bad by having disrespectful idiots rush on stage with their one issue over everything else or nothing selves. I suppose a cynical conservative would enjoy this spectacle and want to fan the flames of crocodile like support in the way some liberals enjoy seeing Donald Trump be the conservative standard bearer.
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Regards,
Shodan
Do you really, and I mean *really *want to quote Voltaire ? **YOU **?
I don’t think she’s said that she is or ever was a Palin supporter. I think what she was trying to say (in the mangled English typical of the loony left) was that it wouldn’t matter even if she was a Palin supporter.
This hypothetical scenario, just like that Reddit post about the family dinner, is not at all analogous to the events that inspired this thread.
Now - I have no idea whether it was a justified shooting or not. But then that never stopped the outrage hustlers.
Happened two weeks ago. I bet most people will first find out about it from this post for the first time. No widespread outrage from liberals (or anyone). No demonstrations. No #WhiteLivesMatter twitter campaigns.
Actually, BLM has been all over that. Specifically denouncing the dearth of response from the ALM contingent and the peanut gallery that’s usually rationalizing or defending police ultraviolence within minutes.