Since this is not Great Debates, could y’all try to limit your discussion as to how you voted in the poll and why, please. Asking for clarification of another’s post is fine, but don’t start another abortion debate in IMHO. Thank you.
That’s why I noted except the last part.
I believe in free speech and think everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I’m not okay with anyone screaming their opinion at me as I cross a parking lot to go into a legal business for any services to which I’m legally entitled. Stand over there, say, far enough that your physical presence isn’t intimidating, hold your signs up, pray, whatever floats your boat. But stay the hell out of my face and out of my way.
I voted for the last choice, but more on the basis of what I believe is my right to conduct my own business without having to run a guantlet to do so.
I’m fine, btw, with the label pro-abortion. Why not?
I would like to force some of the anti-abortion types to spend time with some of my clients who are ex-adoptees. The psychological (and sometimes physical) trauma they have experienced is incredible.
There are plenty of limits on the right to free speech. Slander for example, such as calling a woman trying to enter an abortion clinic a whore if she has never actually been a prostitute. Lies about linking abortion to breast cancer or the claim that most women become depressed after abortion are clearly forms of false advertising for the adoption industry, as are claims that adoption is a solution to the problem of unwanted pregnancy.
Extremely pro-life and couldn’t/didn’t vote in the poll.
Bloody baby pictures never changed anyone’s mind (or heart) - that said 1st Amendment wise they’re in the clear.
This stuff:
put their hands on women, call women nasty names, bomb clinics and kill doctors
No, no, no, and no.
FWIW, I’ve read “The Girls Who Went Away.” It was very eye-opening and very, very sad. No woman should be forced to give up her baby for adoption and what those women went through was horrific. That said … I’m glad those babies were born, and that book did nothing to change my opinion on abortion.
I did read a book of the transcripts from thr proceedings that made New York State the first state to legalize abortion. One judge called the idea that a woman should be expected to be pregnant for nine months, give birth, and then give the child to strangers “an abomination.” Yet the anti-abortion crowd still pushes this choice.
If the adoptive parents agree to an open adoption in order to get the baby and, after they become the legal parents decide contact with the birth mother is not in the child’s best interests, what can that woman do about it?
If you wish this to become an adoption and/or abortion debate, I could close the poll and move this to the proper forum for you.
So there’s not documented evidence then, and it (supposedly) only came from a single person’s lips?
I don’t want to turn this into an abortion debate, for reasons that Czarcasm has already articulated. In order for this poll to be meaningful though, I think we should consider whether the OP 's characterization of the “extreme anti-abortion crowd” is accurate or not. I think this is a reasonable position, and I hope that the mods would not begrudge us that.
It’s unlikely that anyone would insist that not a single woman ever regrets giving a child up for adoption. It is also unlikely that someone – even an ardent pro-lifer would insist that every single woman who has an abortion, without exception, regrets that decision. If a pro-choicer were to state that a pro-lifer made such a claim, I personally think that it would be prudent to examine this person’s exact words and see if that is truly what was said. Given the heated nature of this issue, I’d say that it’s more probable that the pro-lifers words were either misconstrued or exaggerated, especially if this pro-choicer has intense feelings on this topic.
But for the sake of argument, let’s suppose that one such person did indeed make these claims. Does this say anything about the stance of the “more extreme anti-abortion crowd,” to use the OP’s wording? I think not. The word “crowd,” after all, suggests more than just one person. In fact, it suggests a rather large group – a multitude. So no, I don’t think we can take this isolated account, assume it to be absolutely true, and then use it to paint a picture of pro-lifers – not even the the “more extreme anti-abortion crowd.”
Please not that I am NOT taking any potshots against pro-choicers or their movement. Nor do I have any problem with having a poll regarding people’s perceptions of pro-lifers. I think that this particular poll makes some questionable claims though, and so a more accurate poll would serve this purpose better.
A site that calls itself “abortion facts” (though it leans so far to the right you almost have to tilt your head to read it) has a section on language
I am reminded of the Seinfeld where Jerry complains to a priest that his friend converted to Judaism so he could make Jewish jokes?
Priest: And that offends you as a Jew?
Jerry: No, it offends me as a comedian.
Examples like the above do not offend me as being pro-choice. They offend me as a wordsmith.
Hi. I’m DianaG, and I’m pro-abortion. I’m a fan. I think that frankly, more abortions should be happening.
That said, the difference is that people who are pro-choice are good with women choosing not to have abortions, too. See, choice. You wanna keep that baby? Cool with us. You wanna do adoption? Good on ya!
We like all the choices. We’re not anti anything, except assholes who want to limit our choices.