You simply don’t get it. Sex between consenting adults is good – period. Going from 50% tp 90% of women having pre-marital sex is an improvement.
There can be some unfortunate consequences of having sex, even if precautions are taken. Medical science has provided solutions to most of these problems. One of those is abortion.
You keep insisting that women who have abortions suffer pain and trauma. Some do, but I can tell you that more women, and men, and children suffer trauma because they are forced into loveless marriages and families to raise an unwanted child.
AND, I notice you still haven’t yet answered the question from upthread – what is your position on gay sex, which cannot result in unwanted pregnancies?
You are pissing into the wind here. Perhaps this is the first environment you’ve entered where everyone is not lockstepping to the same religious/moral code as you. And just repeating your empty claims without seriously considering the replies and information offered is not going to convince anyone here.
It’s attitudes like yours that cause women to feel guilty. There are women who feel dirty and ashamed for not being virgins too. There are people of both genders who feel guilty and depressed for being gay.
Most women do not suffer any longlasting emotional consequences for abortion, though. It’s not something most of them want to have to go through, but neither is an appendectomy. It’s not something that most women regret, though.
The assertion that any woman who terminates a pregnancy will go through her life feeling horrible about is anti-choice wishful thinking – sour grapes really.
You’re the one who’s marginalizing them. You should apologize to them and let them know they’ve done nothing wrong. Have you ever done that? Have you ever let them know they did nothing wrong, or do you just reinforce their shame.
Oh, that was a serious question? I thought it was a joke. Surely you aren’t trying to say that the solution to the problem is that we all turn gay. This is a debate about heterosexual sex. My position on homosexuality is immaterial to this argument. You are just trying to pigeonhole me as a evangelical fundamentalist quack.
Yes, I know that. I never intended for the discussion to get so out of hand. I wanted to hear that maybe some of you had some different ideas about the solution, and maybe to open some other people’s eyes to the actual facts about protected sex.
You shouldn’t have a problem with gay sex, though right? You never answered that question? Lesbian sex is esepcially safe, since not only is there zero chance of conception, there is no known case of female to female transmission of AIDS.
But you admit that they do suffer. Even going through the process is awful. Even if they leave with positive feelings, they still have to deal with the anxiety before the procedure. Wouldn’t it be better if they had never gotten pregnant to begin with?
Yet again you have elided the difference between an unplanned pregnancy and an unwanted one. You can’t help yourself, can you?
Less severe than the effects of forcing women with unwanted pregnancies to bear those children. As we know *as a certainty *for every other western society which makes abortion an option, not an ordeal? Have you ever considered why it is overwhelmingly men that are anti-abortion, and why women overwhelmingly support to right to abortion on demand? Have you ever considered they they may know, I don’t know, a MILLION TIMES what you do about the topic? Why not let those know know the best make the choice?
Of course they would if it were true. I dispute that any of these descriptors universally apply apart from the “anxiety” one; what new mother is not anxious? Have you ever considered that it is precisely the guilt that you religious types heap on single mothers in the USA that make women feel this way, to the extend that they do? YOU and your fellow repressors are precisely the problem.
Sure it would be better. That’s why we need better education and better access to birth control. If birth control fails, thank god we have legal abortion.
Ah, I see. Rather than convince the country that there is no such thing as truly safe sex we should convince the pro-lifers that fetuses aren’t people and to convince pregnant pro-choice women that the little thing growing inside them is just a parasite. I see. I guess that WOULD solve the problem.
You are totall full of shit from yout first post onward. You finally pigeonholed yourself as a fundamentalist quack in post #142.
You said there you would still be opposed to pre-marital sex even if a 100% effective birth control method was available and used universally by everyone.
This whole thread has been a sham. You are opposed to sex in any form except for procreation within a marriage, aren’t you? If not, under what other circumstances would sex be ok with you?
No, it is a debate about when and with who sex is appropriate, and your insistance that sex is particularly harmful because it results in unwanted pregnancies. Well, gay people don’t face that particular harmful outcome because there is a zero percent chance of pregnancy.
Because of other reasons, but does that disqualify this entire thread? If you are in a formal debate and someone makes a point, are you not allowed to refute that one point if you can? Does the fact that you try to refute the one point negate your entire argument? That’s ridiculous. Of course you can refute one point in the process of winning the debate. That is what I am doing with this thread, refuting that safe sex is the solution to the problem of millions of unplanned pregnancies.
Absolutely not! As i said, I’m anti-Catholic.
As long as you are married you can get as freaky as you want and for any reason, but you shouldn’t assume that you won’t get pregnant. Married people are more likely to get stronger forms of birth control like IUDs and sterilization. Not that you can’t as a single person. It’s just that most single people don’t want a long term birth control solution. Also (since something like 25% of abortions are for married women) when you have sex (even married) you should take into account that there is a possibility that you will become pregnant. Since I am against abortion I also believe that children are best raised by a married couple. It’s all about the health of society. Healthy chilren equals a healthy society.
oxytocin bonding is a result of the bonding hormones that are released when you have sex. You become physically addicted to the person you have sex with. This is especially strong in women. The more people you have sex with the weaker this bond becomes when you do marry. But that is not appropriate in this discussion. This discussion is about contraceptive efficacy. Let’s get back on topic.
Don’t forget researching more effective forms of birth control, which could eliminate or at least ameliorate the problem to the point that we don’t have OPs like this one any more.