You are dead wrong:
businesses don’t hire when they’re saddled with a government health program.
:rolleyes: obviously there was some road pork in the bill. But a pork bill it was.
What was their excuse in 2008?
There is no government health program.
You’re flailing. Try to keep on topic.
Don’t you see what you’re doing? You are shown wrong and you sidestep and ignore it, trying to turn the subject to something else.
On the subject of the Affordable Care Act, I asked you earlier how it managed to cause job losses a year before it was created? Also cite how many jobs it has killed, please do this or retract it.
you should go door to door and tell businesses it was all a big joke then.
You are shown utterly and pathetically wrong and you have the nerve to roll eyes? Does that seem like something an honest debater does? It’s not our fault that you watch news that lies to you.
About a third of the cost of the stimulus was tax cuts.
How many jobs did the biggest two-year tax cut in history create?
We were talking about the stimulus. Please try to remember that the health care bill did not come into effect until over a year after the stimulus; well past the area we’re talking about to begin with. Whether or not ACA disincentivizes hiring is an entirely different discussion altogether. As said before, there’s a reason we tend to look down on those who watch Fox News. There are several problems with your debating; your faith in the utterly failed concept of supply-side economics is certainly not the least of them. But the problem that’s bothering people like me right now is something you definitely got from fox news: your willingness to conflate entirely different issues altogether.
If we were talking about Obama’s overall ability in regards to the jobs market, then yes, Obamacare would be relevant. But as far as I can see, the issue here is the effectiveness of the Stimulus. What’s more, you act as though it’s clear as day that Obamacare is a job-killer. It isn’t. In fact, its effects are not particularly well documented; we don’t know whether or not it hurt or even helped the job market. But when I look overseas, it doesn’t quite seem to me like programs like the NHS and its ilk in German, France, and the UK are destroying the job market.
I would appreciate it if you tried to work with at least some intellectual integrity. Conflating completely separate issues in a discussion is simply poor debating, period.
You guys DO realize you are arguing economics with someone whp thinks a two handed simultaneous double punch is the most deadly technique against an enraged chimp, right? Reality ain’t his forte.
Double Monkey Punch™ is unstoppable. Who cares what the laws of physics say!
I think what most of us are arguing is that the most effective attack on the deficit is a double-fisted tax increase on those making more than $250,000, so I’m not quite sure why he disagrees with us.
Do you think the stimulus money was all used by welfare queens to light cigars with $100 bills while riding in their mythical Cadillacs?
When you start off with an *a priori *assumption that every penny spent by the government is wasted, I guess it’s not surprising when you conclude that stimulus money spent by the government was wasted.
It’s quite a convenient way of looking at the world - saves a lot of thinking I guess.
Nitpick: Welfare queens smoke menthol cigarettes, not cigars.
This gave me a good laugh on the bus to work, thanks. 