I’m too having trouble following you. Why would violating the consent of another, even inadvertently, amount to a repudiation of that other person’s existence? If it is not, why are you so fixated on it?
IOW, why would anyone be entitled to a life where their will was never, ever countermanded? Why would the fact that this circumstance is not possible (by itself) lead us to conclude, then, that life is not worthwhile?
That poster is on a different astral plane from you and me. Please be aware of this while trying to start a debate.
Violation of consent is expected but not necessary. I am not required to violate consent, in fact, if I don’t, the selection process continues without me. There is no necessity for my will or my perception of existence to be rewarded in any substantial means.
As far as jaguars are concerned, jaguars do not commit suicide, they cannot process living life for a purpose. This argument boils down to me choosing between being human or being animal and dissolving my sentience (command level access to). Jaguars have automated indentured systems; I don’t. I am significantly different than a jaguar. I can discard this truth and deny all percievable rationality and cannibalize my mind to take my lessons and let nature automate my success from there… What’s the point though? Why should I dismember myself to become a member of a species I do not necessarily belong to?
As for a person attacking… A person saying “Hello” does not generally think of themselves as attacking. I have extreme gifts along these lines, but I am in no position to determine which person is consenting to slavery when they utter such a phrase. I would be more apt to believe that they truly don’t understand what the hell they’re doing.
Instigators are not making informed consent… I used to think that only some of them weren’t, after some years, I am certain that none of them are consenting to defeat. There is always some glimmer of hope which is the residue propelling them. Even if they are defeated, there is a residue in them that holds to the idea that they must have somehow consented to the act. I do not want to face my own judgement of myself or the judgement of them knowing what degree of choice I had in a matter vs. them.
I’m really not interested in what I can encrypt past the death barrier, so that I won’t be caught while alive. My assumption of life is that everybody eventually is confronted with the tools each individual posessed in a given situation - I see this as a phase of cognitive integration. I don’t think anybody in my shoes would do other than I’m doing. The consequences are severe, but that doesn’t change the responsibility even if the generation rubs against the grain of individual perception and experience. I wouldn’t want someone to choose other than myself in this scenario; were I to be you on the other end.
Amongst a host of talents, I happen to be a 4th degree black sash in an underground temple of the dragon. I know a burgular is not consenting to that. They have hope in their hearts. It is not my fault or offense that they choose something I own over something which I am. I would consider the robber not-to-bright, but they don’t know who or what they’re attacking… they can’t extend their minds out that far to understand that they’re killing a peice of the puzzle which we’re seeking to build. One thing I am quite certain about life is that humans have endured all form of experience and none of these have given us the ability to communicate our complex consent scenarios. It doesn’t bother me to have happen to me what has occurred to another being, it just strikes me as irrational in that “this didn’t work last time, let’s try something different instead… we might hit paydirt, you may never have to steal another object for the rest of your life to be fulfilled, let’s just look at this consent stuff and figure it out.”
What other point can I possibly find in life? I can kill people and violate consent, but I don’t have to. Sure it affects my mood and health, but I don’t have to do it; I don’t have to live. That being the case, how can we strive to not repeat the same patterns over and over and actually solve this problem. I’m sure as hell not contributing anything to society by violating the consent of a burglar; all of us know that this burglar doesn’t want a whole number of events to occur to them (many which never even occurred to them) when they break into a house. (I’m not big on property anyways).
I don’t see how it can solve anything relating directly to my life and my issues with life to defend myself. The very act seeks to evidence to myself that my dreams are unattainable and that my beliefs are absurd to the whim of ‘might makes right’.
I don’t accept these principles.
-Justhink