When they removed the bodies

Hi

I suddenly realized something that seemed odd. When the people removed all the bodies from the rubble at the WTC site and the carried out the bodies with the American flag wrapped around each one, didn’t they realize that some of them could very well have been the hijackers? Or did they just choose to take that chance? Hummmm

Kim

Or that they might have been carrying the body of a foreign national?

I know this is nit-picking, but if you were visiting a foreign nation and were killed in such a way, would you be offended if your body was draped with that foreign nation’s flag?

Hey the OP just made me curious!

NO that wouldn’t matter. What I mean is that the people who were responsible for the whole thing, their bodies were among the innocent victims also. Chances are if they were found, they were given the same respect as the innocent bodies carried out. That has been bothering me.

Kim

Figures are approximate:

Imagine yourself (or not) in a car weighing 400,000 lb’s hitting a wall at 400 miles per hour, with 24,000 gallons of jet fuel underneath you producing, on impact, heat in the region of (at least) 900 c. – 1,500 c. Then the mass burns for almost an hour (WTC2) or for more than an hour and a half (WTC1). Finally, when the wall you hit collapses, you find kinetic energy kicking in – one twenty storey building, and the momentum thereof, falls on the bottom 80 storey building. You fall with (100 + 10 demolished already) 110 floors or concrete and steel to the ground.

Terrorist bodies, no. Not enough of you left to fill an egg cup, and even that would be scattered in the rubble over (again, at least) a square mile. IMHO.

Given that the Bad Guys ™ were in the front of the airplane and therefore at the scene of the impact, I’m pretty sure that, even before the fire started, they were

  1. Crushed by the impact
  2. Sliced n’ diced by flying debris
  3. Hi, Opal!

Then, any fire hot enough to melt steel is going to incinerate the mortal remains. So, I’m pretty sure that the hijackers are dust and ashes.

Even so, I would rather carry out every body bit under a flag as a way of showing respect to the dead, and chance there might be a fragment of hijacker beneath it, than to start arguing about who “deserves” the honor. The odds are so much greater than any bit found that can be identified as human flesh is an innocent that, to my mind, it’s not worth worrying about.

Now, about the foreign nationals… if, hypothetically, I was killed in a foreign country and my body was carried out under the flag of another country I can’t see where I would be offended. It is, after all, a sign of respect. You do that for heros, usually, and certainly not for your enemies. If, hypothetically, I was in France or Germany at the time and died in an attack on their country… nope, while I’d prefer my own flag, can’t see how it would be anything other than an honor to lie under theirs.

I would imagine that, had we been able to know that a particular body was a foreign national we’d use their flag or whatever is considered appropriate by that country, but most of 'em were found in, um, pieces and that after several weeks of lying about and, um, well, I’m sure actual recognition is going to rely on medical recods.

Many times I’ve heard people speaking about the law say “Better a thousand guilty men walk free than one innocent man be punished”. This works on the same principle. Better 19 guilty hijackers be accorded the full respect of the flag than a single innocent person not be accorded that dignity.

This part shouldn’t have been a part of this, I never brought that up.

Kim

Well, what else should have been done? Besides, respect for the bodies of the dead is very important in Islam - a dead person must be buried before sunset, if possible, etc. To be decorated with the flag of the very hated country they were attacking would be an extreme insult to them, I would think. If so, that’s fine with me.

If I found any pieces of a body that I knew for certain was one of the hijacker/murderer’s . . . I’d ask around to see if there were any pig feed plants in the area. Maybe in New Jersey.

Kim, you didn’t bring it up, but the post immediately after yours did.

They haven’t removed all the bodies from Ground Zero (i’m not talking intact bodies, rather, identifiable parts that represent a body) - there’s always going to be bodies that you will never find. The effect that the collapsing twin towers had on people inside was effectively like going through a blender twice. (My apologies if I’ve offended anyone with this likening). And for this reason its unlikely that you’ll ever find everyone who perished at the WTC.

Apologies for getting slightly off topic

I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility of recoverable bits of the hijacker’s bodies still existing. Remember, they found the bound hands of one of the flight attendants on the roof of a nearby building, and the complete body of another flight attendant in the WTC rubble. I haven’t heard of any terrorist bodies being recovered, but it’s not impossible.

I went out to debunk this, and instead found confirmation:

kindly rock on, minty green.

Please feel free to adopt this as your new sig :slight_smile:

Feels kinda strange to use that little smiley in this thread. Not a happy thread at all.

Hey, where do you think I got it from in the first place? :wink: Now tell me, how the heck you do a direct link to a Snopes article, since all I ever get in my address bar is the main address?

At the bottom of every Snopes page is listed a URL that will link directly to that page.

Thank you, kind mod.

IIRC, there were 4-5 hijackers in each plane. I would be surprised if all of them crowded together up in the cockpit; probably at least one of them stayed in back, keeping order/terror in the cabin.

– CH

I had the impression that only firefighter and policeman bodies were taken out in flags. Which would resolve the issue.