Yup. This has all of the same things that Bush/Gore did but even more so.
People are still griping about Bush V Gore because
All of this is exactly what I have been thinking.
At almost every point in the race, Mrs. Clinton was touted to have >75% chance of winning. Democrat voters that didn’t vote just assumed that she would be a shoo-in.
And if you had to build a rocket again, and you had the choice between those engineers and a plumber from Alabama who thinks hydrogen is a utility company, which would you pick? Significant failure or not under their belt, they still know what they’re doing.
Hardly. There were damaging things in those emails. Just like there would be damaging things in my emails, or damaging things in your emails. And if there wasn’t, well, it’s not hard at all to make something up. After all, “hide the decline” may not have meant what everyone thought it meant, but it sure made a catchy slogan for AGW denialists to trumpet from the rooftops for the last 7 years.
There’s an old saying in politics… Law is like sausage: you don’t want to see how it gets made. Politics is ugly, nasty business behind the scenes. Showing the “behind the scenes” for one candidate and not the other paints a picture of one side as morally compromised, even if what’s going on is absolutely politics as usual.
Fine, I agree with that 100%. No arguments, no disagreements.
How did that affect the election? You’re saying what happened swayed, changed, or altered the election in favor of Trump.
How? And why is that question so hard to understand? You’re saying because A happened C resulted. Where’s and what’s the B?
Does that make sense?
It helped reinforce the notion that Clinton was corrupt and dishonest, leading to more republicans holding their nose to vote against her despite their misgivings about Trump and more democrats staying home. That would be my best guess. I don’t really have data to back it up, mind you, but this is the impression one gets from the news and the feeds.
That’s the point - the DNC and the Clinton campaign thought they knew what they were doing. They thought they were going to win. And a good many Democrats, especially on the SDMB, thought so too, and think so too.
The strategy of calling the other side names, and assuming your voters will vote for whatever establishment insider you put in front of them, didn’t work. Sure, the shuttle blew up, but I still know what I am doing.
“Apart from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?”
Regards,
Shodan
This is a key point I think a lot of people don’t appreciate. In a recent seminar on cybercrime I went to, the speaker relayed the instance of a company with a fairly robust cybersecurity system hiring a security company to test it. When asked how far in they had gotten, the security company said “We got everywhere”.
Hackers are remarkably clever and persistent. To foil them, a company would need a level of security that would require phenomenal inefficiencies in the way it operated - passwords at every step, access heavily restricted by individuals, even some “air gaps”. You can either have a functional organization and accept that concerted targeted attacks by skilled hackers will inevitably get through now and then, or you prioritize security above all and you make everyone jump through a lot of hoops, resulting in a general slowing down of any work being done.
Building the perfect firewall is like building a wall across the Mexican border - it sounds easy in principle but in practice it’s incredibly expensive, incredibly difficult to maintain and will be defeated in a ridiculously short time by those with a vested interest in doing so.
And now you’re mixing metaphors.
Who do you think has a firmer grasp on domestic and foreign policy, Trump or Clinton? And is the question even close?
That’s like saying you might as well not lock your car because a determined thief will get in anyway.
Part of having a functional organization means enforcing policies like “don’t send your password in clear text”, “don’t set up your own servers”, things like that. And when you get caught violating those policies, don’t try to dismiss it as trivial.
“Don’t worry about the 30,000 emails I deleted - there was nothing in them that you wanted to see. Why would I lie about that?”
Regards,
Shodan
That’s not the question. The question is, who ran the more successful campaign?
Regards,
Shodan
Then you completely missed the point of my post when you quoted it. Trump ran a more successful campaign. I don’t care about that. We’re talking about who would be better on policy. Which, in case you missed the memo, is the main thing that matters.
The whining will end approximately 7:43 AM Christmas Morn. After the great Christian Santa Claus has finished delivering presents to all the children around the world.
Nobody’s saying you shouldn’t lock your car. Meanwhile, you’re the one busily blaming the victims of car thieves for owning a car in the first place. Let’s not forget that the State Department itself has been repeatedly hacked.
If you’re bothered by that, you must still be fuming about the 22 million emails the RNC deleted.
Of course he is, he’s so speechless he hasn’t even mentioned them.
I didn’t know the RNC ran the State Department.
Regards,
Shodan
The RNC is not a government agency subject to FOIA requests. They are free to delete emails if they so choose.
HRC was polling a handful of percent over Trump in the days leading up to the election, at least that’s how I remember the news outlets reporting it. In the end she did win the popular vote decisively, but that didn’t matter.
If highly educated and experienced journalists refused to believe that a carrot-headed reality TV blowhard could possibly win, even against an opponent who did come with her own problems and issues, well, who knew.
In 2020 we’ll probably vote in one of the GEICO cavemen, or maybe th lizard. Though I must say that either one of those seems quite a bit more sophisticated in their own way.
Maybe, but you wouldnt be seeing republicans on college campuses crying, asking for “safe spots”, asking to be let out of exams, and being given coloring books and playdoh by their enabling conservative college professors (which barely exist BTW). You wouldnt be seeing the wife of the last president saying how all “hope is gone now”. Also you wouldnt be seeing electors getting death threats or needing police protection.
So basically, republicans would be acting like adults.
The number of Republicans that have spent the past 20 years relating to the “safe place” that is Fox News show the lie to your point… if, by “acting like adults”, you don’t mean retreat to an alternate reality with its own rules and facts.
Playdoh and coloring books are NOT adult behavior, no matter how you try to spin it.