SCOTUS ignored- loudly and clearly- trumps little attempt to overthrow the election. The Courts, in general, refuse to intervene in election results.
SCOTUS is not gonna get involved this time, either.
Especially if two or three of the majority come to the conclusion, we are already on the “right” path with or without HIM personally.
Landslide either way is extremely unlikely. Maybe if Trump calls Harris an N-word during the debate. And if it’s not a landslide then we won’t know early. I suspect by the next morning, but who knows.
Now, polls might be broken. There are some indications that might be true. However, the Trump people I know in my life haven’t wavered at all; I’m going to still assume the close polls indicate a close election until something substantial convinces me otherwise.
Who would that create a landslide for???
The one thing I can see causing a Harris landslide is Trump having a medical disaster (stroke, heart attack, etc.) that effectively removes him from being a viable candidate, whether or not he formally quits the race.
I remain hopeful that Harris wins decisively enough that the inevitable ratfuckery doesn’t succeed and within say a week we see her confirmed as our next President.
Love the optimism but as long as Harris’ lead remains within the margin of error just a dem win is a coin toss.
Sure, but that doesnt mean it won’t be a solid win for her in November. Like I said- a sweep of the purple eastern states- and a slim win in Florida- and it is game over- and early in the night. Like in 2016 when trump won Florida and the news anchors started looking like deer in headlights.
This is being optimistic sure, and I agree- Harris now has a razor thin lead.
She’s well behind in Florida. I mean, yeah, if she wins Florida, especially if it’s a big enough lead that it can be called early, then the whole thing will be called early and will end up being a rout. She’s not going to win Florida though.
They killed it because a pillar of Trump’s argument that the election was stolen from him was the “blue shift” – i.e. early returns from election day in-person voting favored him, so he immediately declared victory. As additional returns from mail-in and provisional ballots and late-reporting precincts ballots started to turn the tide, he screamed bloody murder that Democrats were manufacturing votes to steal the election.
Of course it’s baseless, but his supporters eat it up. And we’re likely to see a similar dynamic this year.
4% as of today- but Abortion is on the ballot, which should bring out women to vote against a ban, and most of them will vote for Harris. This is why it might go Harris- besides of course polls can change. If it goes to Harris down only 1%, I will be cautiously optimistic.
Yes, I am not expecting this- but it is not crazy talk. trump wasnt supposed to win Florida in 2016, iirc.
Your lips to gods ears.
NC is more likely though, and would serve the same purpose. If Harris wins NC that’ll be a wrap.
Pretty much. NC and AZ even without PA and she wins.
I’m thinking something like this and PA doesn’t matter which could be an earlier night rather than waiting for them.
Exactly.
Anything you can think of for which your initial reaction is “that’s gotta be the final straw that turns Trump voters away from him”….
…is exactly the sort of thing that makes these soulless cretins love him even more.
Kolak: Your math is correct, but even if she (say) loses PA but wins NC, there’s a good chance the count will have been very close in NC … and it will simply be NC we’ll all be waiting for, for five or six days (say), rather than PA like in 2020.
A lot of Trump’s voters aren’t soulless cretins, just people who think Trump will back policies they prefer, and they’ll hold their nose and vote for him. I think if he called Harris bad enough names or would reduce the number of votes he got, even if it also energized some of his base.
But the only way i see a landslide for Harris is if Trump has a major stroke during the debate or something.
Each time one or more of us begs (explicitly or implicitly) the uncaring supernatural forces of universe to bring a long-denied justice to Trump, I’m reminded of this Futurama clip (should start at :21 in, but Discourse be discourse).
It’s the clip where the professor, shrieking over Fry’s date request says “Buddha, Zeus, God, one of you guys do something! Help! Satan, you owe me!”
But everyone once in a while, I just would like to see the scenario we’re all pondering in this thread, but from inside the Trump world. Because yes, damn right, we’re all worried, but especially if it goes even slightly better than hoped for Harris (more prayers) watching Trump see the beginning a now unavoidable end stretched out over days (regardless of the eventual and hopefully failed lawsuits [more prayers natch]), could be considered justice of a sort.
And considering the state of his health, could bring about the sort of attack mentioned by @puzzlegal and others…
Excuse me, I’ve been posting too much in the Pit recently, and seeing too much evil in Trump and his cronies, so I’m just a tad more vengeful than is probably good for me.
In a close election AZ is even slower than PA due to a large number of mail-in ballots dropped off at polling places on Election Day. Early results tend to favor Democrats due to early ballots actually mailed in and tabulated ahead of Election Day, then tightens up. In 2020 while protesters in PA were demanding that counting stop, in AZ they were demanding that counting continue.
Fucking hypocritical assholes.
I get it but the difference in PA and AZ is the law in Arizona says mail in ballots can be counted upon receipt. As I mentioned, PA says they can’t be counted until 7am on Election Day.
I’m not saying that 100% eliminates shenanigans but it makes me think AZ could be called first.
And, the hope is that what happened in AZ in 2020 was an outlier. Yeah, I know I’m a dreamer.
Well, it took even longer in 2022 for most of the statewide elections to be called. Governor’s race margin was 17k votes (vs. Biden’s 11k votes in 2020). Attorney General was decided by 280 votes.
That’s exactly what I was going to say. That’s why it’s important to win the house and elect a Dem speaker. Hello, President Jeffries.
In 1980 the networks declared Reagan before the polls closed in the Mountain Zone (where I lived at that time). They were harshly criticized, and rightly so. For many cycles they held off until all polling closed nationally. This year they might not be that patient. Of course as soon as the first channel makes their call, they others will collapse like a house of cards.