In their response to the recent terrorist acts the Danish Humanist association includes this saying, and while I think “true, true”, I’m also shouting “Yoda!”
Is Yoda the only, or earliest source of that form of the statement though? And/or are there earlier equal expressions from more academically respectable philosophers?
Just is the Wheel, swerving not a hair…
I’m not 100% sure but I think a quote of Gandhi is applicable:
“Your beliefs become your thoughts,
Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
Your values become your destiny.”
So, yeah, Yoda. Not cool Empire Strikes Back Yoda, but Yoda from Episode I which means the phrase originates from the fevered mind of George Lucas. ESB was written by someone else IIRC. I’ve always thought that phrase was stupid because fear anger and even hate are all appropriate responses to some situations. Nor, does one necessarily lead to another.
Probably not Gandhi.
As for suffering, remember the wisdom of Sonja Grushenko:
The Empire Strikes Back was written by Lucas and sci-fi author Leigh Brackett from a basic storyline that Lucas came up with alone. After Brackett died Lucas brought in Larry Kasdan to polish it up and turn it into more of a true screenplay.
Yeah, cool Empire Strikes Back Yoda just said “Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they.” Totally different. 
Fear leads to Anger.
Anger leads to Hate.
Haight leads to Ashbury.
Once upon Ashbury, forever will it dominate your destiny.
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Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try.
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is also pretty terrible advice to give someone. Actually, Yoda seems to be pretty poor at the whole “mentoring” thing in general.
Props on “whence.” Saves space and is correct. Maybe SD memeable, in fact.
I post those kind of OPs a lot, and intend to use it.
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Brackett did one draft of the screenplay, and then passed away. As I understand it, essentially nothing of her draft ended up in the final movie. Lucas kept her name on the screenplay, both because he had promised to do so, and because he liked and respected her.
I was under the impression that they just took her draft and grafted new scenes in, like Han being frozen in carbonite and Vader announcing that he’s Padme’s baby-daddy. To be honest I’ve never read that much about it though.
A good source is The Secret History of Star Wars, by Michael Kaminski. From what I recall (I don’t have the book with me at the moment), most of the major beats of Empire were developed after Brackett had died. Including Vader as Luke’s father (Brackett’s draft had Anakin Skywalker’s ghost appearing to Luke on Dagobah, along with Obi-Wan), the bit about “there is another,” and, as you say, Han being encased in carbonite and his fate left undetermined.
Kaminski has Lucas writing two more drafts himself after Brackett’s, then bringing in Lawrence Kasdan for the final screenplay.
Kindled. Thank you, sir!
That was Quite Interesting, thanks!
You’re quite welcome. I first found about that book here, I believe, in some long-forgotten Star Wars thread. Glad to pass it on.
Words are free, man.
No problem. My favorite Gandhi quote is “everyone is eager to garland my photos,* but nobody wants to listen to my advice.” Because nowadays everyone wants to take his advice even when he didn’t really give it. Any uplifting quote eventually gets ascribed to him on the Internet, just like every witticism gets ascribed to Twain.
*People in India traditionally put garlands of flowers around images (or statues) of gods, holy men, deceased relatives and so on.
I can’t say that attributing suitable quotes to him is entirely wrong. If you (and many others) see a quote as part of our belief in what he could have said, is it wrong to say he said it? We’re adding to a theory of thought, using his (maybe I should start capitalizing now) image to enforce our views, in a peaceful way. I don’t see that as being bad for humanity.