Where are all the "beardos" referred to by Pete Hegseth in his speech?

On 30 September, US Secretary of War and Donald Trump crony Pete Hegseth gave an address to a massive summoned party of Generals and Flag Officers at Quantico, Virginia,where he gave his vision for re-branding the US military as a force of tough warriors. A large part of his message was a claim that “woke” management had lowered standards and that this was going to be reversed, including making female service personnel conform to the highest male physical standards and requiring all personnel to regularly pass fitness tests. He also claimed that rules against hazing were too rigid. And then he targeted “beardos”, stating:

At every level, from the Joint Chiefs to everyone in this room to the youngest private, leaders set the standard. And so many of you do this already, active, guard and reserve. This also means grooming standards. No more beards, long hair, superficial individual expression. We’re going to cut our hair, shave our beards, and adhere to standards.

He had also issued some relevant memoranda dealing with these matters.

But as I understand, don’t all branches of the US military already require men to have short hair and to shave, with exemptions only given to those who suffer from Folliculitis barbae and to individuals who apply for a religious exemption (mainly Sikhs and some Jews and Muslims, exemptions which as I understand were only grudgingly given in recent years)? Other than these limited exemptions, I can’t recall ever hearing of any of Armed Services allowing beards or long hair anytime in recent history. Nor can I recall seeing a single long-haired or bearded US serviceman in any recent photo, maybe some utter exception years ago of a soldier in Afghanistan attempting to grow a beard in order to be taken seriously by the local population. So just where did Hegseth find his “beardos” among the military population in the US? I can’t seem to locate any.

Is he targeting the people who have received health or religious exemptions? One of his memos does say that those who have an exemption due to health reasons are to receive medical treatment and that if it is not possible to treat the condition within a year, separation proceedings are to be commenced. Does Hegseth consider being able to shave to be more important than to maintain the enrollment of a competent soldier in whose training the government has invested? Does he have a problem with people like Sikhs, who have been serving in various militaries and police forces with turbans and beards for decades or more, with no detriment to their service record?

Did he perhaps observe more lax grooming standards among some odd members of the National Guard whom Trump has pressed into service to harass people in major American cities of late? (The National Guard is made up of part-time, basically reservist personnel raised under state authority. I don’t know if this happens in the US, but in Canada, before the military allowed beards across the board (and eventually - in 2022 - long hair), it was not rare to see reservists with beards and sometimes longer-than-regulation hair. This was tolerated owing to them being part-time soldiers.)

Or is he going off some exceptions to the rule who find it difficult to maintain the grooming standards in field conditions? It calls to mind an incident from World War II when US Army cartoonist Bill Mauldin was chewed out by General George Patton for his cartoons in Stars and Stripes Magazine. Mauldin drew a pair of ordinary soldiers called Willie and Joe, and depicted them with grown-out hair and beards. Patton, a hard man to put things nicely, objected to Mauldin’s cartoons, the content of which he considered subversive toward officers and against military discipline, and threatened to ban Stars and Stripes from his Third Army. An interview was arranged between him and Mauldin, where Patton spent 45 minutes chewing the cartoonist out on his work; his complaints included referring to Willie and Joe as “those god-awful things you call soldiers,” who looked “like goddamn bums,” and accusing: “What are you trying to do, incite a goddamn mutiny?“ But some service personnel in tough theaters of war like Normandy or Iwo Jima would have neglected these things owing simply to tough field conditions. Is this perhaps what Hegseth had in mind?

Exemptions to grooming standards are also granted to SOCOM personnel operating or preparing to deploy in-field so as to allow them to blend in with the local populations. (Similar exemptions on uniform standards and weapons for obvious reasons.) But this is obviously not what Hegseth is concerned about; he’s attacking exactly the people you list for exemptions above because he is a avowed White Christian Nationalist who doesn’t want blacks or non-Christians serving in ‘his’ military.

Stranger

In a word: Yes.

Did he use the term “beardo(s)”?

Remember when we used to say “Oops-They said the quiet part out loud”? He doesn’t have a “quiet part”.

“No more beardos,” Hegseth said during the presentation, which he ordered top officers and their enlisted advisers from around the world to attend. “The era of rampant and ridiculous shaving profiles is done. Simply put, if you do not meet the male-level physical standards for combat positions, cannot pass a [physical training] test or don’t want to shave and look professional, it’s time for a new position or a new profession.”

Yes, he said “beardos”. 'Cause, he’s a weird guy who doesn’t seem to realize or care that he isn’t still a Fox News pundit.

He’s out, loud, and proud…about being a Christofascist knucklehead.

Stranger

Yes, he actually did. I had heard, before I watched it, that he said “no beardos” and thought it was a flippant take, but no. He actually phrased it that way.

It’s like we’re in some alternate “life imitates art imitating life” reality where Hegseth is like the South Park ‘PC Principal’, only with much more terrifying levels of responsibility.

The Navy did up through the end of 1984, but beginning 1 Jan 85 they were no longer permitted except for medical reasons.

During deployments on the boat, for a $5 donation to the rec committee we could get a beard chit granting permission to not shave. Beards had to be neatly trimmed, in accordance with pre-1985 regulations, and had to be shaved off if we had riders on board or during port calls. There was always a competition to see who could grow the best beard; I think the winner on the '88 deployment could have won even if he had shaved it off halfway and started over.

People have been railing against the privilege given to straight white Christian men for decades. That default privilege was the impetus behind the civil rights, gay rights, and feminist movements.

The current administration is fueled by the backlash to those movements and filled with people who fanatically work to move the country back before their enemies won a fraction of equality. Hegseth is one of them.

The hypocrisy of Hegseth’s comments are visible in any of the pictures of the Pentagon audience. Beside the near total lack of beardos and fatties, the top brass also shows an near total lack of anybody but white men.

I’m no longer in the military so I can’t really say, but hasn’t it become more common for “operator” types to go around wearing beards in case they have to blend-in or something?

I think it’s also trickling into local law enforcement, because even a regular K9 unit is all decked out in tactical gear and bearded out in order to blend in with any Pashto tribesmen may be lurking about.

The apparent change in military culture since I left, it’s quite something.

Maybe we’re overthinking this.

Hegseth probably saw the new Fantastic Four movie and was unhappy about Ben Grimm’s appearance.

beardos = muslims

Hope this helps

Also;

DEI = women and POC
tough on crime = violent police to suppress POC
Woke = becoming educated about structural injustices based on social hierarchies

I’m morbidly curious to see what happens when or if Hegseth tries to prevent SpecOps troops in the Middle East from having beards, too. That would be the breaking point.

I was in the Coast Guard from 1977 to 1983. Once out of recruit training, mustaches and beards were permitted. I expect in the Navy they were permitted where on ship or station where water had to be distilled or conserved (sea showers). There were rules concerning the length. Of course we were Department of Transportation then. I think it’s under Homeland Security now.

Based on my familiarity with the military mindset, special operations types wear beards because they consider it a privilege they’ve earned. If you allow a group of soldiers to do something that other soldiers aren’t allowed to do, they’re damn well going to do it, and they’re going to flaunt it in the other soldiers’ faces.

I agree with this. I have a strong suspicion that Hegseth, who is a National Guard major and was never an “operator” or even in the Regular Army, feels a lot of insecurity and resentment toward those who were, and that the Special Ops types are the ones he’s targeting with his policy.

To be fair he’s not exactly wrong. As former military it offends me to see military and police flouting traditional grooming standards by walking around with big shaggy beards, and the “cult of the operator” mindset in general is disturbing to me. Something needs to be done about it, and if it’s driven by the insecurity of a former National Guard major, that’s fine by me.

To be fair, I’m sure medical shaving profiles were also in Hegseth’s sights, and I’m sure he let out a little giggle when everybody started screaming about the racially disparate impacts of his policy. That aspect is wrong and racist, just to be clear. But I do suspect that Hegseth’s primary animus was the spec-ops types abusing their beard-wearing privileges. If those guys were the only targets, I’d have no problem with this at all.

No, they’ll do it or they’re out.

The military needs them more than they need the military.

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I think we’ve covered all the factual ground that’s available in this thread, and there are already other threads in the more political forums on this, so I’ll close this now.