This sounds an awful lot like self-fulfilling prophecy to me. “Wars and environmental destruction are caused by Satan, so we should avoid taking any responsibility and wait for God to save us.”
I don’t know about you, but I’m going to get a drink.
can be supported how? By your own personal interpretation of scripture? By ignoring real evidence about the history of the where and how we got the scriptures so you can continue to believe they are the word of God?
You can believe what you want for whatever reasons but don’t toss words around like supported to easily. The post I responded to was almost pure conjecture.
While it’s true that God is the only one that can save us, we are called to love our fellow man as ourselves, so that does put some responsibility to those effects on us. The war we are suppose to fight is spiritual in nature. Purposely causing the Apocalypse would be acting on behalf of Satan, as Satan makes the first strike, so it’s not something a follower of Christ should be looking to do. But the earth will suffer in the end times and will be replaced by God by the New Earth.
While I don’t have time to go over every sentence, most of what I say can be taken directly from scripture. Yes it will be different books and verses for different parts of what I said, but I strongly believe everything I posted has direct corresponding support.
(Ok I’ll give you the point about w/o God or Satan our moral compass will lock on to whatever small field is available - as that is a assumption)
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If I get into this debate I will be verbally pummelled by both sides, but, what the heck.
When you cross over you will enter the spirit world from which you came. You are already an eternal entity, so there is nothing to do to achieve eternal life. Heaven and hell are man-made concepts, while they do exist in the spirit world few go to either place, and then only because they believe they deserve to. Neither is forever, you are not held, you can leave anytime. The real spirit world is much more logical and completely just. The rule is what you sow, you will reap. Simple, easy to understand and completely fair. It is not necessary to hold any special belief, or belong to any group. God loves you, there is no punishment, but there is correction through the aforementioned rule. If you love as taught by Jesus your trip through the physical and into the spiritual will be much easier, joyful, and peaceful. You are safe from hell. But you are not safe from your own actions and thoughts which determine your path.
Pardon me if I’ve missed this being pointed out somewhere in a previous post, but what if there IS no place to go to, despite the beliefs inherent in archaic superstitions? The OP is coming from the point of view that Christians WILL go somewhere. That’s just faith. Well, whatever the major religions of 10,000 years ago believed involved a similar faith. But were they correct? Are we correct? Are we like the religions of 10,000 years ago, in that 10,000 years from now, a new set of major religions will predominate that make Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc., look quaint?
No offense meant to anyone, but this is why I never like discussing religion with Christians. They get so smug and act like of course they’re right and you’re like a child who has not learned better yet. Believe me, it is a joy living in a total non-Christian environment.
In the first case, human life is quite possible w/o God, as i’m sure you know. But anyway, i’m afraid i’m still confused. After all, people who don’t believe in your god, or believe in a different version of your god, or a different one altogether, or none, have very different moral compasses (or at least moral compasses set at different directions). I don’t really see how reality differs from your scenario of no God or Satan.
If we were to go with the final scenario, where both God and Satan don’t exist (and really, if one of them doesn’t, the other is necessarily different enough to be a different being), and we assume there is no other god equivalent to or higher than God that’s set a moral code, is destruction assured? That is, if there is no God or Satan, there is zero hope that we will not self-destruct under your views? If so, is there any Biblical mention of how soon this destruction will come, or is there no set time limit? For example, a society where God + Satan leaves could only survive for 20 years, or a week, or something.
How exactly are you defining “destruction”? There seems to have been quite a lot of it already.
No, most of what you’ve said can be taken from your interpretation of scripture. When you quote scripture then give your personal understanding of said scripture, you are interpreting.
I have a question for you, though. If I came up to you and said, “Even though you are inferior physically, mentally, and morally, and even though you are not worth it, I love you.”, how would you feel?
What, disagreement? In a religion thread? On these boards? Never! 
I may be being thrown off here by your use of the word “chocie”, but; Christians have become atheists, or believers of other faiths. People don’t seem to drop dead if they lose their faith. Now, quite often people are upset to lose their faith in the Christian God, so fair’s fair, that goes in your favour. But that doesn’t describe all or (I would wager) the majority of former Christians. Those who go without food, OTOH, last days or weeks with water. One of these does seem more fundamental, but I can’t say it’s faith.
I suppose it depends how true it is and how blunt you are.
Through research done on near death experiences there is solid evidence that consciousness lives on after the death of the brain and body. There are many references, check Google.
Why is everyone so hung up on the the word of God? Did he not send his Son to walk amoung us and teach us ? And what was His greatest lesson ? Love one another . Do that and the rest will follow . Can you argue that ?
How long for?
No doubt if it’s on the Internet, then it must be true. :rolleyes:
And even if it IS true, that’s not evidence in favor of any particular religion. It would hardly depend on personal belief.
Does all of your research include claiming that people were brain dead for two hours when in fact it was a couple of minutes, or claiming that they were having NDE’s when in fact they were at the time just under general anesthesia?
The point being that scripture and/or your own interpretation of scripture is not really support in a real sense of the word. To begin with you have to assume those words are divinely inspired which is completely unproven and IMO contrary to the real evidence we have available to us.
Secondly, many sincere believers would interpret the scriptures very differently than you, so what you end up with is your opinion. Once again that’s not real support.
Which son are we talking about? Buddha? Jesus? Zoraster? Me? You?
I happen to agree. Learning to truly love one another is a lifetimes work. Part of that effort is trying to dissolve the boundaries between us and find some unity.
Well then we are brothers . I speak of Jesus . I am so pleased to meet another who knows the truth . We are warriors in the same army. I can only give you my hand in your battles my friend as they are the battles to end all. Be sure we are not the ony ones and be sure we will triumph in our quest for what is right . Tonight I stand united with you and I celebrate to know there are others even in other faiths that fight for what is right . Stand tall and stand in unity my friend. You are amoung friends. You see them here also as well as you and I . Right is right . Jesus is my sword and shield . Yours matters not to me. It is the same.