Where did L. Ron Hubbard get his ideas?

I’ve read alot about the evil Xenu 7 million years ago throwing his frozen enemies into volcanoes, and bombing them with hydrogen bombs. What I never have heard about is how Hubbard is supposed to know about this. Divine inspiration? Angelic message? Did he ever say how he learned this? Or do most people that get to the point of learning this just blindly accept whatever the church tells them?

On a related note, why didn’t Rush, or Starcastle, or whoever ever write an 18 minute mini-rock-opera on this theme?

Because the church would probably sue the pants off of them. They’re crazy like that.

Xenu told him.

Sorry. Couldn’t help myself. I’m trying to get to the bottom of an answer though. Here’s where I’m looking.
Scientology-ology is a bit of a pasttime of mine and I’d rather like to know the answer to your question myself.

Scientologists are willing to answer this, as long as you are willing to give them very large amounts of money.

You have to remember the L. Ron was a hack sci-fi writer, and he and John W. Campbell had hashed over this kind of stuff for years before Ron went off the deep end and started believing the crapola he was spouting. Xenu, et al is just the typical stuff rattling around the head of Golden Age sci-fi writers.

Where did L. Ron Hubbard get his ideas?
Where do you think crackpots get their ideas? A bit more seriously, you do realize that Hubbard was a science fiction writer, don’t you?

Here’s as close as I can get to an answer on the source of the dogma.

Silenus, nivlac I think what Electronic Chaos (please correct me if I’m wrong) wanted to know was what is the reason given in the dogma of the “church” for Hubbard’s knowledge. Any reasonable person realizes that he pulled it out of his ass; what’s the reason given to followers for his knowledge?

Wikepedia on Origins of Xenu

Doesn’t this belong in the Great Debates forum?

(“I’m drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys”).

Pardon me, but I’ll be spending this weekend in “research.” Yeah…research. That’s the ticket.

Nah. MPSIMS, maybe. This is Scientology. There is nothing “Great” about it. Nor is there much to debate.

You have a point.

IIRC, it was a $50 bar bet with Asimov that started Hubbard on his “quest.”

I think Scientology is as kooky as the next guy, but Battlefield Earth was a pretty decent book. 1950’s pulpy sci-fi, but fun. Hubbard was a legitimate sci-fi writer, IMHO.

I’ll bet most people who say this have never struggled through the works of L. Ron, especially his pre-Battlefield Earth ouevre. I have, and tried to keep an open mind about it.

1.) I really hate L. Ron’s writing. He seems petty and mean and incredibly ignorant about miost science and technology. A lot of people who have no stake in the scientology game still praise Hubbard for “Fear” or “The Final Blackout”. I found the first unreadable and the actions of the hero in the latter highly questioonable.

2.) Most of L. Ron’s work isn’t science fiction at all, but fantasy, or westerns, or other genre. His stuff that can be classified as science fiction generally isn’t very heavy on the science part.

I suspect that a lot of people characterized Hubbard as a “science fiction writer” to stigmatize him. As a science fiction fan, that annoys me. Especially as his output was mostly geared elsewhere, and his science fiction wasn’t so hot.

There are any number of stories about how Hubbard got started, and as far as I can determine none of them are reliable. Or at least there is no way to determine at this date whether to give any one credence over the others.

The truth appears to be that Hubbard talked about this for a long time with just about everybody in the world of New York City writer/fans. I’ve met some myself who claim to be the one who gave him the inspiration. Eventually he went off and started writing, with the encouragement of John W. Campbell. Campbell was in the beginning of his loony phase and this assured Hubbard a market. He was too canny an old pulpster to churn this stuff out totally on spec.

The attack book, Bare-Faced Messiah by Russell Miller, has a section detailing how Campbell worked with Hubbard ahead of the publication of the book version of Dianetics and found the doctor who wrote the introduction that gave the book some credibility. Campbell published the Dianetics article in the May 1950 Astounding as a lead-in to the debut of the book.

When I read some of the processes involved in Scientology I couldn’t help but think that L. Ron was playing a huge joke, seeing just how ridiculous he could make things and still have people willing to believe them.

KidCharlemagne: Really!? Naw, couldn’t be. :wink:

Mindful of the Old Testament, no?