Where does right-wing paranoia come from?

I don’t want to make this about gun control or any other particular political topic. But based on the rantings I’ve read from various right-wing sources, there appears to be what I would almost consider a psychotic level of paranoia. Typical themes include:

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[li]I need to protect myself and my family from some theoretical tyranical government.[/li][li]I need to protect myself and my family against violent criminals.[/li][li]I, as a Christian am persecuted by society (bonus points if you are white and male).[/li][li]There are vast numbers of lazy people looking to sponge off of my hard work.[/li][li]Immigrants are destroying our society.[/li][li]There is something “off” about President Obama. [/li][li]At some point, some sort of metaphorical “shit” is going to collide with a hypothetical “fan”.[/li][/ul]

Again, I’m not looking to debate the specifics of gun control, immigration, Obama’s policies or anything like that. Plenty of threads on that already. What I’m trying to figure out is why the Right seems to have this overwhelming sense that some nebulous “they” is coming after them or that some sort of civilization changing disaster is right around the corner.

Someone mentioned this in the current thread about conservative and liberal manliness. Conservative thinking seems to come from fear. Fear of the government, fear of immigrants, fear of change, fear of gays, fear of women, etc. This isn’t a consequence of their policy beliefs, its a feature. In order to mobilize voters and public opinion, fear is a quite and effective tool. Talking about common sense solutions to our nation’s gun violence problem is boring, but talking about how they’re gonna take all your guns away is frightening, and will move asses out of couches and into town halls, voting booths, and the halls of Congress.

Pretty soon, after espousing fear as policy, you’re going to start believing in your own lies. That is probably where it starts and where it comes from. Even if you are a cynical pol like some believe the likes of Rush Limbaugh is, playing on the idiocy of the masses to line your coffers with gold, the bluster and paranoia that you spew everyday deceitfully isn’t going to look all that different than if you spew that crap sincerely

I think you’ve answered your own question, to some extent. Conservatives see the past, often their own immediate past, as representing some ideal or acceptable world, and the changes of the present as leading to a world where their values are marginalized. I see it in two forms: “I had it good and now they want to take it away from me” and “I earned my way but the current generation wants everything for free.”

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[li]At some point, some sort of metaphorical “shit” is going to collide with a hypothetical “fan”.[/li][/quote]
If this makes someone a paranoiac, we’re going to need a lot more space on the psych wards.

Too bad. If you start a thread that’s basically saying “My opponents are nuts for believing X”, you’ve got to expect challenges.

Oh, there’s plenty of liberal paranoia, too - the anti-vaccine nutters (“Big Pharm is poisoning our children!”), the “OMG! GMOs are Frankenorganisms that will contaminate our Precious Bodily Fluids!” crowd, the extreme environmentalists. I think the real question is why those folks don’t get nearly the traction on the Left that their counterparts do on the Right when it comes to gaining political power. Somehow the Left seems to do a better job of keeping their nuts marginalized.

Fear is a great fundraiser.

In addition to the points you listed, isn’t there also this?

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[li]the need to defend my wilderness bivouac, once the godless humanists have finally brought down civilization[/li][/ul]

Oops, sorry. You did cover that one.

I have nothing to say about the anti-Obama, anti-immigrant, persecuted-Christian attitudes, since I don’t hold those myself, and I pretty much dismiss them as the product of paranoid wackos when I hear them.

However, I do want to address two of your other observations.

Disaster Preparedness

While there are certainly wackjobs out there, in general, you seem to be confusing a desire to be prepared for a disaster or criminal attack if one should occur, with the expectation that one is going to occur at any moment. I don’t see anything irrational with wanting to be able to defend yourself from a criminal, as opposed to cowering somewhere waiting for the police to show up if a crime does occur . Being prepared to do so if necessary does not mean you expect it to occur, any more so than having a fire extinguisher means you expect your computer to burst into flames. But both of these are risks, and I don’t understand what you characterize as “psychotic paranoia” about wanting to be prepared to help yourself in these contingencies, rather than wait for the government to show up and save the day.

Similarly, many conservatives do not want to bet their life and property that the government will always have the resources and ability to save them, in the event of a natural disaster, or economic collapse. Look at what happened in Hurricane Katrina, and look at what we came very close to back in 2008. The total collapse of the worldwide banking system might have resulted in a breakdown in modern society, a shortage of oil, no transportation available to bring in food, etc. You may think this sounds outrageous, extreme, and unlikely - and it is, but unlikely does not mean impossible.

Many people don’t realize the complexity of the world we have today, in which we eat fresh vegetables shipped in from Argentina, consume oil brought from Saudi Arabia, and pay our police with money borrowed from investors in Asia, and people assume that this complex network will always exist to serve and protect them. Other people hope it will, but they look at the lessons of history, and prefer to be prepared if it one day breaks down. No society in history has lasted forever, even though many of them probably thought they would. Maybe modern society is special, but, maybe it is not.

You may prefer to just pretend that nothing bad will ever happen. Disasters like this are certainly not obviously imminent, but to claim that they are impossible, or that you know for certain just how unlikely they are, is ludicrous.

The same goes for “defense of tyranny”. Who knows what will happen in the future? I certainly don’t. We seem to be doing just fine now and I am not remotely concerned about tyranny. Over the course of my lifetime, who knows? WWI and WWII occurred in Europe over the course of what, 30 years?

There are vast numbers of lazy people looking to sponge off of my hard work.

Yes, well - there are. And there are politicians who are willing to award these people a fraction of the product of my work in exchange for their vote.

I worry about a society in which people who have nothing to contribute to society are allowed to vote for what society must give them. And I worry about a society in which politicians argue that dependency on government is acceptable, and use the government’s ability to take money from its citizens by force to buy themselves votes, more directly and more blatantly than any wealthy businessman ever has. I am not saying we are at this point already. But I am concerned we are moving in that direction.

I don’t think this worry is irrational.

Similarly, I also worry about a society in which wealthy and powerful interests have utilized their power over government to corrupt the system enough that the promise of “work hard and you will do well in America” no longer holds true. But that’s not one of your little “psycho conservative” tropes now is it?

Wot makes nutters say nutty things?

Crazy left wingers? :stuck_out_tongue:

Well, it could be similar memes on the left wing side where they are constantly asking about ‘need’ in transparent attempts at gotchas, have been actively trying for decades to limit or ban (if possible) one of the cherished rights of gun owners, attempt to portray anyone who owns or wants to own a gun either a ‘gun nut’ or ‘gun fetishist’, and have attempted all of this through back channel bullshit involving waving away the right through reinterpretation and through the courts, instead of by using the tools that exist in our government to remove a supposedly outdated and outmoded Amendment, forcing gun owners to fight constantly to keep their rights to their firearms. I don’t know, maybe having done all that horseshit for decades, some gun owners have become a bit hunted at this point, which sort of explains why their knee jerk reaction to yet more ridiculous legislature such as a revival of the AWB and attempts at creating weapons categories like Assault Weapon (sounds scary :eek:) create knee jerk reactions by gun owners.

Just a thought. Or, they could all be nuts and fetishists I guess.

I think it’s more the opposite; a subset of paranoid fantasies is what makes much of the right wing, not the other way around.

You have people on this board today crowing about “pitchforks and torches” over perceived injustices (rightly or wrongly). Today, this is hyperbole. In 20 years?

I moved from the city to the suburbs and soon felt like I was living ina ground floor apartment with dozens of glass windows (with no metal bars) and the only good lighting at night is around the most secure entrance to my home (the front door).

If you can get rid of guns in the country entirely so that gansters are carrying swords and axes, I will give up having a gun in my home and limit myself to having a gun in a locker at the gun range (and maybe a taser at home).

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[ul][li]There is something “off” about President Obama.[/ul][/li][/QUOTE]

There is something off about President Obama. If the government wants to lock you up for the rest of your life, they should have to prove their case in court. The Obama Administration’s belief that indefinite detention without trial is a valid tool of the state shits all over the Sixth Amendment of the US Constitution. And that’s just one example.

You mean like the UK?

Guns are more fun than health food. There are also probably a few right wing anti-vax nutters. I think that currently the Democratic Party owns the center because the GOP does everything in its power to alienate them. That said, I would like to see a cite on the notion that the views listed in the OP are held by the majority or even a large minority on the right.

Thanks,
Rob

It’s not on my list because the right seems to align itself with those wealthy and powerful interests you describe. Like how does a “Joe the Plumber” starting his own business look at someone like Mitt Romney - an Ivy League guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth who made a fortune in management consulting and private equity - and see a kindred spirit?

Or maybe I have different assumptions of what you mean by “the system” and how you think it’s being “corrupted”.

What are you talking about exactly? And was there something off about Bush when he opened Guantanamo as a holding facility for terror suspects?

Where does American paranoia come from? The number of people who think their children are at risk of being massacred in school or that there is a worldwide conspiracy called “Al-Qaeda” that requires the US government to suspend all civil liberties and drop bombs on civilians is very large and bound by no single party.

No, I think we’re probably on the same page. But most conservatives don’t see wealth, success, a privileged background, and a career in private equity as an automatic negative. A small business owner might see Mitt Romney as someone with business experience, who will appreciate the difficulties and necessities of running a business - at least, much more so than Barack Obama, who has never even worked in the private sector and, despite his good intentions and intelligence, does not truly understand what it means to run a business. They probably would have preferred a better candidate than Romney - as in, someone who actually founded and grew a business through his own hard work - but he was all that was offered. And Romney did lose, you know, so obviously he failed to connect with somebody.

And I am not claiming that most conservatives agree with me on that last point in my post above. Hopefully someday that will change. The single biggest threat to capitalism, free markets, and freedom in America is that these principles are failing to live up to their promises for more and more people.