Where does the antipathy between blacks and jews come from?

I think it’s a combination of the Black Muslim movement and the resentment of the success of Jewish businesses in black neigborhoods.

Partner.

I think the preferred designation is “Hot Wife”.
Edit:
I’m sorry- I just realized how sexist that sounded.

“Hot Partner”.

Much better!

She’s the smart one. :slight_smile:

::checks that penis is attached ::

Whew!

Unless Kim’s grown an appendage I haven’t been informed of, I think we can just call her “wife.”

Historically, young Jewish intellectuals during the movement heavily supported Civil Rights. I think a couple of things happened. One, Islam opened to a lot of African Americans, and while Islam was all about racial inclusiveness, religious inclusiveness not so much, especially when it came to Jews. This attitude spread to the Christians within the black community.

Also, Israel traded heavily with South Africa in the '70s and 80s, while apartheid was still in place. They were almost the only developed nation to be doing so, but South Africa had resources Israel needed while Israel had technology South Africa needed and they were comparative geographically close. I think this left a bad taste in the mouth of the African American community.

In the mean time, the black youth culture got louder and more overtly drug-and-gang related. The aging Jewish boomers, of whom there are a ton due to WWII immigration, found this distasteful. So while they approved of black rights, they really didn’t want to associate with what they viewed as black culture. And of course the media didn’t help much, since it showed black culture very monolithically.

That’s it. While we’d like to think that being persecuted might make people more empathetic, I’ve yet to see evidence of this on a grand scale. And it’s not like white people are the only ones spreading and getting messages about black people being thugged out thieves and Jews being sneaky thieves. If anything, certain minorities might even risk being more vocal about their prejudices when it comes to other minorities because they don’t think someone will call them on it.

That’s always how I’ve understood it. They live in close proximity with one another and yet the class difference is very stark.

Well, you have two groups with extremely different histories. Historically, European Jews were encouraged to make money, so that Christians wouldn’t have to violate usury laws, and this money went in to education, which produced a long standing culture of educated people. African Americans have the reverse culture of slavery and deliberate blocking from education. So they’re going to be extremely different cultures by now.

It’s even worse than you thought. Unless it’s true; if so, who are we to judge? How are you doing? :slight_smile:

:smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: :smack:

Now how the heck could I have known that was an actual term that had that meaning?!?!

:smack:

i wasn’t offended, FriarTed. i’m not really hot, though.

thx to everybody who answered by the way.

I’d hate to just pop in and out with a video link, but I just watched this earlier today and it’s pretty relevant.

OK, now we need a picture. And I’m a straight woman. :smiley:

True. A few years ago in Lakehurst NJ I witnessed a black man verbally accuse a jewish man of being racist against blacks. For no real good reason, either. The jewish man was minding his own business. As a black man myself, I was embarrassed.

A month or so later (I was a recruiter at the time, else I’d never have been in New jersey…I really hated it there) I was interviewing a jewish applicant at his house. When I was ready to leave I remember offering to shake hands with his family as I left and none of them accepted. I was a bit puzzled as I drove away thinking maybe I had insulted them unknowingly, until my partner told me 'You know, they didn’t shake your hand because you’re black." I don’t know if she was right or not, but it did bother me for awhile.

Luckily a few months later I got out of NJ. Thats the only good thing about the experience.

Pretty funny that.

Another point, specifically to the now senior Jews. Those old Jewish neighborhoods … they were pretty Middle Class in the 50’s and early 60’s. Some Jews hung on in them as Blacks moved in. One can, and should, question why exactly the neighborhoods went from safe Middle Class neighborhoods to poor and crime-ridden dangerous area as more Blacks moved in, but that was the experience those Jews had: Blacks moved in and their neighborhood went to Hell, their property values plummeted, and they had to move out.

That experience became the basis of their beliefs about Blacks. Okay, maybe just reinforced some less firmly held pre-existing prejudices that were being exploited to cause the panic selling and neighborhood collapse by realtors … but still, it is understandable why they concluded such with that as their only basis.

Jackie Mason got in trouble years ago for referring to David Dinkins as “that fancy schvartze with the mustache.”

There used to be a bit of a pattern/stereotype of well-off Jews, very liberal on paper, whose only day-to-day interaction with blacks was hiring them as domestic help. I’ve heard some (mostly older) people who fit this pattern use the “s-word.” Nobody likes a limousine liberal.

I had the misfortune of encountering this attitude just a year or two ago from a Jewish woman in her late 20s. She didn’t call anybody a schvartze, she just gave away a total feeling of superiority. That’s not to say it’s a characteristic of Jews in that age group, because on the contrary I found it shocking. I would’ve found it shocking from my elderly grandparents as well, although they’ll occasionally reveal some outdated attitudes on those issues.

“Schvartzeh” hardly means or ever meant the same thing as “the n-word” - it was just Yiddish for Black - literally meaning “black”. An Eastern European Jew of that generation - now few left alive but clearly those to whom Jackie Mason was playing to in the old Borscht Belt days - would use that word without specific ill intent. And non-Jews were called “Goyim” in the same manner. The context gave it its meaning and sometimes the context was to say negative things - using the Yiddish so as to be less understood by others around them. But the word was also used when there were good or neutral things to say too. True, not many of that generation had much good to say about anyone. Kvetch is a Yiddish word for a reason. And a Yiddish thesaurus would hold many more synonyms for schlemiel than for mensch.

Interesting that you feel that hiring Blacks as “help” was somehow being a “limousine liberal.” So a White middle class Jew (or upper middle class even) would be less contemptible if they only hired White cleaning ladies maybe? Was it only acceptable for Middle Class Whites (Jews or otherwise) to hold liberal beliefs if they found Blacks to be close personal friends with and avoided hiring any Black employees, lest they be too superior?