Where else is there "Un-XXXXican/ese/ite arritudes?

I am really tired of the term “Un-American”, and I wonder if similar terms are thrown about with equal abandon elsewhere? It’s an ideal attack word – full of sound and fury, signifying nothing, and I’m curious if this might be a universal feature of nationalist politics. Are there Un-Candian thoughts or activity? Un-Norwegian attitudes?

The adjective undeutsch (un-German) was/is used by 19th century German nationalists, right-wingers, later by the Nazis and today occasionally by the extreme right. Nationalist usage referred to things of foreign origin (e.g. foreign loan words), Nazi/right wing usage additionally to things denounced as of Jewish origin and generally to modern tendencies disapproved of in the cultural sphere.

In Hong Kong and China, those who dissent tend to be dismissed as “unpatriotic”. This despite the fact that the average Chinese person has never felt much allegiance to the nation, the bonds to his/her birthplace being much stronger. Even today, people who come to Hong Kong and make it big will return to their ancestral home to build a hospital, university - whatever. My wife cringes when she hears our dear leader, Tung Chi-hwa, open his mouth on patriotic occasions like the recent National Day. His mantra “We must love China, we must love Hong Kong” has been much lampooned.

The drivel that the Chinese President and Prime Minister come out with in Mandarin is even worse.

The phrase *un-Australian * has certainly entered the language here in a big way. Politicians especially seem to love using it. Of course, they don’t define it. In general it seems to convey a vague sense of something that conflicts with the traditional Australian notion of a “fair go for all”. It’s also used quite a bit as a simple cop out i.e. I don’t agree with what you’re saying so therefore your argument must be un-Australian.

Funny you should ask. That term is actually frequently in use–but not in
the way you would expect! Being ‘un-Norwegian’ has come to signify a
boldness in standing up to convention or being exotic in a positive (or
neutral) way. Someone who is un-Norwegian will not be afraid of ridicule
or be concerned with the infamous Jante law .

A google-search of ‘unorsk’ (‘un-Norwegian’ in Norwegian :slight_smile: ) turns up
this (roughly translated) :

  • ‘Stavanger region praised for un-Norwegian innovation’ (Aftenbladet.no)

  • ‘There is something un-Norwegian about him.’ Manger Ola By Rise of
    Rosenborg (the top Norwegian football club) about new super talent Daniel
    Braaten.

  • ‘Unnormal, dangerous or just un-Norwegian?’ (Dagbladet.no) about
    marriage between first cousins among immigrants.

The use of ‘un-Whatevernationality’ doesn’t go over too well in Norway.
Not that we’re not quite patriotic and ‘holier-than-thou’ quite often.

I imagine being un-Danish is a highly valued trait in a Norwegian.

That should be: The use of ‘un-Whatevernationality’ in a negative sense doesn’t go over too well in Norway.

Not necessarily. Traditionally, Danes are well-liked in Norway (unless we’re talking football–also, maybe Danes are best liked when we meet them in Denmark, or watch them on TV). They are perceived as jovial, outgoing and laid-back. Traits we’d like to share.

“Anti-Japanese” comes up a fair bit, mainly from Tokyo Gov. Ishihara and various members of the LDP when discussing the national anthem or Japan’s history, and various ultra-nationalist groups when discussing anything at all.

I haven’t heard un-Kiwi or un-New Zealander come up here. Which is a good thing because both sound grammaticaly stupid.

Telling people off for not being Kiwi enough or loyal isn’t as big a thing as seeking validation from elsewhere. We seem to love being “the first country to…” and similar hoohah.

We do a certain bit of “Yay Kiwis” down here but it is mostly about sport. There was a ridiculous amount of ra-ra over LOTR but thankfuly that has died away.

Oh I pressed submit before I got to the point :smiley:

The only time in recent history I have heard the term traitor or un-Kiwi bandied about was when significant members of Team NZ (Americas cup racing) went to join the Allinghi team. There was much gnashing of teeth.

As far as it goes with politics you can vote for anyone and yell at anyone about anything and not be called un-Kiwi. You might be called a wanker though.