Where has all the understanding gone?

True! EddyTeddyFreddy, in my opinion, is not only one of the finest people on these boards, but also the funniest.

And there are a great many other people on these boards, particularly outside the Pit, who are more than happy to help with answers and offer advice or support to anyone who needs it. Their posts will always be intermingled with those of a few smart-asses or people who want to appear better or superior, but they are almost always a small minority.

Why not just skip over or ignore the bozos and take what you value here from the other posters? Seperate the wheat from the chaff so to speak. So why not stick around and help us keep the good guy/asshole ratio in check?

:o Geez mareeeeez, chiclidiot, Starving Artist! Now I have to live up to that! I’m too old for this blushing crap. :wink:

Where has all the understanding gone?
Long time passing
Where has all the understanding gone?
Long time ago
Where has all the understanding gone?
Dopers have ignored it every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the Dopers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the Dopers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the Dopers gone?
Pissed by Dope threads every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the Dope threads gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the Dope threads gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the Dope threads gone?
Locked by Dope mods every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the Dope mods gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the Dope mods gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the Dope mods gone?
Starved for five bucks every one
When will they ever learn?
When will they ever learn?

Where have all the five bucks gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the five bucks gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the five bucks gone?
Bogarted by Dopers every one
When will we ever learn?
When will we ever learn?

But you don’t have to live up to anything EddyTeddyFreddy!

Your charm, intelligence and wit flow as natually and effortlessly as does profanity from the lips of Diogenes.

Crikey, Starving Artist – any minute now someone’s going to come along and tell us to get a room. :stuck_out_tongue:

gobear, that was (sniff) so… (sniffle) so touching… (snurfle) so moving… (HONK).

::flattered::

You’re all being so kind! Thank you so much. ::wipes tear::

To anyone contemplating doing so, one or the other of us will require a chartered jet. :smiley:

If they are simply saying goodbye? I say “Goodbye, and be well! You will be missed”

As to some the detailed ‘reasons’ I have read…not so much.

If a poster starts telling of how the internet is only viable as a medium of the freeflow of ideas if it’s free, then that poster need to be corrected. It’s not free. Somebody is putting up money.

If a poster starts telling how the board will now wither and die due to the crass materialism of the Chicago reader, then that poster needs to be corrected.

There are 2, and only 2 valid reasons for not ponying up the 5 bucks.

  1. You are strapped for cash and can’t justify the expense. I understand that completely. Been there, done that. Maybe you can join up when things get better.

  2. You do not feel that membership to the board is worth 5 bucks to you. I understand that. I don’t agree, but I understand.

All other reasons are bullshit, IMHO. We visit this board, we enjoy this board. *Somebody else * has been losing money keeping this board available to us and that should not be.

I can agree with this spooje.

You’re asking for understanding on the SDMB?

Or rather, you’re asking for no judgmental bullshit for others’ plights/principles on the SDMB?

How long did you lurk before you posted?

The reason I ask this is because, as long as I’ve been here (and I lurked a long time before I even registered), I have seen some of the nastiest, judgmental, insensitive, unwarranted trash flamed at people in trouble, or who stood on principle. That’s one of the reasons people often tell newbies, “you need a thicker skin” so often.

This place can be rough, just like real life. Assholes abound, just like real life. But, if you look for them, you will find many, many, kind and thoughtful people here, just like real life.

Nothing. So let’s have one thread for saying goodbye instead of a dozen.

Does the phrase “waste of time” mean anything to you? There is no point in debating the wisdom of the SDMB subscription issue, just like there would be no point in debating your hypothetical employment situation.

So what sorts of topics merit a debate in your opinion, Otto? Obviously I, and many others, don’t feel it is a waste of time, or we wouldn’t be doing it. I wanted to see others opinions on the matter before I decided for myself. I wanted to hear both sides of the staying/going debate to see if I could find a point of view I had not considered before. To me, gathering information to help make a decision is never a waste of time.

I am curious. How can someone afford an IP and not $5.00 a year?

Some people post at libraries, so there is no cost associated with an IP for them.

I meant to metion that.
Sorry, I wish knockers had gone to a library.

That makes two of us.

Here’s something that annoys me: The apparent inability of some of us to recognize that, yes, there might just be stituations in which someone can get to the boards, but can’t afford to pay for them. Comments like “Anyone can afford $0.04/day!” and “If you can’t, get a job!”

Let me describe my situation in fine detail. Not my situation as it is now, for it’s improved somewhat, but my situation, say, a year and a half ago.

I was a first-year university student. I’d elected to go to a civilian university, instead of military college, because I didn’t want to be in the army and had some other concerns about that military school. I could only do this because I got a generous scholarship from the civilian school; my parents had virtually no ability to pay for my education, and I was nonetheless unable to get the standard student loans.

I had to my name only the moeny I’d saved up working during high school for minimum wage, and working at my military reserve job. After deducting tuition, books, and rent (which were non-negotiable, really-- I had to budget for them) and projecting my expenses and incomes forward to the end of second year (when a CO-OP program would begin providing income) I had a certain amount of money to last me the for the time I was away at school in first and second year. An amount that I estimated to be just under twenty dollars a week. Canadian. For all my expenses, groceries included.

You try eating on twenty bucks a week. You eat a lot of cheap bread, bananas, and oatmeal. And you time your meals so you go to bed hungry. Better to be starving when you’re alseep and don’t notice it.

Eat less? I was losing weight already.
Sell the computer? I needed it for homework, and I got it free, anyway, because it was a piece of obsolete trash my dad’s workplace was throwing out.
Get a job? I already had one (military reserve). And I couldn’t fit a second one in around my studies.
Cut the ISP? The Phone? They were included in the residence fees.
Move out of residence? Locked in. Moved out after first year; rent in my town was through the roof.
Sell stuff? All my clothes were used, and I didn’t have a car. Heck, I walked an hour and a half to take the bus home for thanksgiving because I couldn’t justify the $1.70 for transit fare. (And my parents bought me the intercity bus ticket, thank you)

But enough whining about poor old me. That’s what I get for pissing away thousands of dollars a year on tuition when I could have got it free for joining the military.

So the SDMB was my one free source of entertainment besides going for walks in the neighborhood. And it was also a refuge for a lonely, frightened young man. The point of this dietribe is that, YES, there ARE situations in which you have to scrape every damn penny. Where you pick up every coin you find on the ground, and ration your bread by how many slices you can eat per day. Where you have to enact a strict discipline on every expenditure, to ensure you don’t nickle-and-dime yourself to starvation with “Oh, it’s only bus fare!”, “Oh, it’s only a grapefruit!”, “Oh, I can afford five dollars for new, used pants”. Where you do your laundry by hand because paying for the machine means cutting your grocery budget in half.

Yeah, most people can afford $4.95. But there are a very few who really can’t. Really. So please, no more generalizations about how everybody can.

If anybody is in such a situation, or if you’re a high school student with no money and no credit card and you can’t ask your parents to pay for it lest they find out what your’e reading on here… or if you’ve got some reaosn you can’t pay… head on up to ATMB. There’s a thread full of people offering to sponsor you. I still don’t have much money, but I figure I can pay for three of you, at five bucks each.

wolfstu, thank you for that beautiful, insightful post.
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Okay. But then, that’s not everyone’s argument.

Wolfstu, may the big karma monster come and kiss you on the lips!
(with a little tongue, if you’re into that)
Very nice of you to offer to sponsor.