Well fuck. Looks like I’m just completely worthless and should be put out into the street to starve to death. Could I possibly contribute something to the world once my health is under control and I’m able to be functional again? Or even contribute enough to at least a few individual people that they feel I’m worth keeping around even if I never truly get well? I guess we’ll never know, since according to you, I should just go off myself and spare the world the expense of keeping me alive in the meantime.
Have any of your loved ones ever become life-threateningly, expensively ill? I can only assume you just let them die without medical intervention because of the expense involved, unless you were wealthy enough to foot the entire bill yourself. Hope you’ve got enough money set aside to keep those grandkids alive.
Oh man, you got that right. Democrats in Congress need a couple of George Pattons, and fuckit, let 'em slap around the troops some. But instead, they have Mr. Rogers and Mary Richards.
GusNSpot, Crafter Man, aldiboronti, and any other posters in this thread who are opposed to healthcare reform, may I ask a question? Do you have health insurance?
Well, I’m takin’ my powerchair down to the Vern Buchanan townhall this evening. Not planning on jostling anyone, though (unless it’s in self-defense:p).
I’ve been educating myself on healthcare reform for a while now, but I won’t scream and holler or waste time and energy trying to talk to anyone, left or right, who isn’t interested in learning something and from whom I can learn something.
The exception is the letters I’ve written to politicians.
If the townhall I’m attending is a question and answer deal, I have my question all ready. I’m going to ask Buchanan and whatever other politicians might be there (if any) to promise that, if healthcare reform fails to pass, will they please introduce and support a bill to make suicide legal.
It’s not right to tell people who are sick and can’t afford healthcare that they can’t put themselves out of their own misery, and protect their families from losing their home and all their assets to pay for treatments that private insurance won’t pay for.
You’ve been bought with bogus arguments pandering to your parochialism, as well as your own inflated insurance costs - all those misery-based profits going to convince you it’s unAmerican not to be mugged every month by the longest running con trick in the history of universal suffrage. It’s kind of beautiful to watch.
Did you fall for the whole Saddam/9/11 spiel as well – sure you did.
I’ll second this. I find it hard to get behind what the president is selling because he’s not really selling anything. He’s tossing out broad outlines but leaving the real sausage making to congress. Last I’d read there were five different bills out. I’d feel more enthused to support him were he to roll up his sleeves and tell us exactly what his proposal is.
I would say the opposite. For all that he’s the president, for all that he’s pushing power behind this reform becoming news again (and center stage again), he has absolutely no say in the wording of the bills, etc. It’s NOT HIS JOB. He can push an agenda, but if he started trying to inject executive authority in congressional matters, he’s interfering in due process. Making law is congress’ job. Stating that certain laws need to be made can be the executive’s job. Enforcing those laws can be the executive’s job, too. Adjudicating and possibly striking those laws is the Supreme Court’s job. I support the fact that healthcare reform must happen now, and I’m grateful that he brought it up and made it a national issue, but then he needs to keep his mitts off until it’s time to say Yes or Veto. If he digs his fingers too far into the pie, he’s going to overstep his bounds, and I’ll be one of the first ones to criticize. He’s pushing it a little bit with his lobbying efforts. Once again, Not His Job, Not His Call. He’s the Yes/No and publicity guy.
The problem for Obama supporters is locating the person to protest. Hard to get people to protest at Rush Limbaugh’s door. Who is he, just some entertainer. Do you protest at the office of that crackpot from South Carolina who yells Liar? Who is he but a nobody who would benefit from the notoriety. And how do you claim to be FOR Obama’s plan when there seem to be two or three out there, all disappointing to the people who worked hard for reform.
It’s not grassroots democracy when people are yelling “LIAR! SOCIALIST NAZI” on the urging of Beck, Limbaugh, Coulter and the rest. That’s astroturf. Also, I think the town halls are over.
By the way, I seem to remember you being reasonable about politics back in the day. What turned you into a conservative shill?
The people are home. They want HC reform, they are not sure exactly how this will happen.
Some are thinking how much it will cost them and wanting to see the numbers first.
Few people actually want others to die for lack of HC it’s just how much money they are willing to spend in other people’s HC.
I asked because I was shocked to discover recently that a couple of my sister’s neighbors, who are quite vocally opposed to healthcare reform, don’t have health insurance. I think one of them is self-employed, and I don’t know what reasons the others might give for not having health insurance.
It just never occurred to me that anyone opposed to govt. funded insurance would not have health insurance themselves. So I thought I’d take the first opportunity to see if there are posters here who protest healthcare reform, yet don’t have insurance themselves.
I wonder about this for two reasons: 1) If you don’t have it, you are risking your own physical and financial wellbeing, and, 2), if you don’t have it, you’re running the risk of burdening the taxpayers and those who do have insurance having to bail you out.
I guess it’s because I’ve always viewed conservatism as emphasizing personal responsibility, so I couldn’t grasp conservatives not, you know, taking personal responsibility.
Just so’s you know, I wasn’t going to attact anyone who doesn’t have it. I mostly ask questions here to learn and to understand how other people think (although I am getting a little more feisty now that I’m posting more often:mad::p).
I have insurance now, but I was without insurance for ten years. During much of it, I was broke. I was aware of the risks I was running, but 1) given that I was young and healthy, it wasn’t that much of a risk and 2) if the shit had hit the fan, I’d have blamed nobody but myself.
And FWIW, I don’t know that there’s anybody who has a problem with “healthcare reform” in the abstract; people do have problems with the specific proposals the admin and congress are advancing, and would prefer different reforms.
I’m glad to know you’ve got insurance now. I remember being young and healthy, too. Back then, it was hard to even imagine “needing” insurance. With age comes a little more reality, don’t it?
I hear you. The folks I mentioned earlier are of the “Obama is a secret Muslim and bathes in baby blood” type, rather than the more thoughtful (and sane) folks here.
Not that I’m throwing accusations around, implying that everyone here is sane!
Which is a nice way to excuse yourself doing anything; I support you man, but you’re just not doing it right.
You view doesn’t, unfortunately, sit well with the comment of Crafter_Man - which is representative of many imo - that he wouldn’t even listen to the President’s reform proposals.
You’re not going to get a lot of reform if a big chunk of people are so indoctrinated they refuse to listen.
I with you here. I am unemployed and I NEED health insurance. Just something to help with eye-doctor, dentist, and physical appointments. I’d love a physical, no way can I afford that.
I don’t have a problem with the idea and the fact that one is coming, but the one that’s coming (so far) doesn’t really show me if it will help me where I need it.
When we get to grown men and women putting a Swastika in the “O” of Obama, it makes me want to move to another country. When I hear absolutely unqualified idiots like Michelle Bachmann in Minnesota saying we need to fast and pray on our knees and “cut our wrists to be blood brothers”, I feel ill. Ill enough to use ANY government plan for Oxycontin.
Fuck you, teabaggers. Each and every one of you. What the hell are you teaching your kids? I hope they suck on Glenn’s asshole till they suffocate.
