What the fuck. I wish your friend good luck, and I hope he shares his story with the White House and the networks. It’s exactly this kind of thing that needs to be amplified. He is not an isolated case and people need to know this.
Maia’s Well: Even though I have health insurance, I would still be against UHC even if I did not have it. It’s a moral issue with me, as well as a constitutional issue. I believe it is immoral to force people to pay for the health care of others (I am against theft), and I believe it is unconstitutional for the federal government to be involved in the health care industry at any level.
Limited government and individual liberty are not for everyone. Have you thought about moving to a socialist or statist country?
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Associating Obama with Hitler is pure dumbassery and has nothing to do with limited government or individual liberty, as you know.
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Have you ever thought of moving to a more libertarian country? You first.
If you will not volunteer to cover just the Rx bill of a random stranger (no family member) out of your own pocket, then IMO, you have no right to ask me to pay for anyone else.
I do not understand how anyone can think they or anyone will receive timely and proper care though a government run system.
How they can stand even more taxes to pay for this lesser care.
What government run system are they looking at that makes them think the government is not going to make this one a disaster?
Yea, if you should have happened to have been diagnosed with leukemia, you’d really have to kick yourself for that one, right? Just a little more will-power or responsibility on your part would have staved off a life-threatening cancer and the correspondingly enormous medical bills.
:rolleyes:
Medicare?
To be fair, a healthcare system anywhere else in the industrialized world serves that purpose, as well. Though I imagine GusNSpot is looking for an American solution for the American people.
Military Medicine works, too. Very well. And despite the issues publicized about the VA, it works very well, too.
You don’t have it do you. Medicare is the system that takes over because insurance companies do not want to cover the aged. They don’t pick and choose but cover all us geezers.
They send you emails telling you what preventative procedures you are qualified for. They provide counseling for diabetes, drug and for quitting cigarettes. They are actually trying to keep you healthy. What a concept. It is comforting to know you have coverage if you get sick. You never know for sure with insurance companies. You never know what procedures will be denied until you have one. Then you are up a creek. Get sick, go broke, lose your home. Nice system we have .
Crafter, I am happy to hear you have insurance for your own well-being. But I am also happy to hear it for the benefit of the rest of us. If you did not have insurance, and you got into an accident or developed a life-threatening medical condition, WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. This is the contradiction I am trying to understand; how someone in this country without health insurance can be opposed to healthcare reform on the grounds that OTHERS WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT PAY. We already have to.
I don’t know your financial situation, but unless you are worth millions, you would probably go broke without insurance if you developed a serious, chronic condition. Just one of the daily medications I take cost $1600/month if I didn’t have insurance. How long, without insurance, do you think most Americans could buy a medication like that?
I second MsWhatsit, and can attest from personal experience. I have Medicare, but signed up with my husband’s health insurance to do my part to take the burden off taxpayers. For two years, the private insurance company has initially rejected EVERY ONE of my claims and made me jump through hoops to get any of them paid. I have paid more in premiums and MUCH MUCH more in co-pays and expenses not covered. It has been a nightmare and a physical drain just dealing with them. Contrast this with my previous years with Medicare, with whom I have NEVER had a problem.
There is simply no comparison. Medicare has been exceedingly efficient and simple to deal with. The private insurance has been, on the surface, incompetent, expensive, and dishonest.
Also, can we really complain about the post office? Reckon you can run down to Fedex or UPS and persuade them to deliver a letter across the country for less than 50 cents?
People like to complain about their local DMV, but (back when I was still driving), my experiences getting licenses renewed or getting handicapped parking placards, both here in Florida and in other states I’ve lived in have been quick, easy, and efficient. It’s been years since I’ve had to wait in line for an extended time in any govertment office.
Now, I am just an anecdote, so I don’t imagine my experience represents everyone’s. In fact, I would be interested, Guns, in hearing about whatever negative experiences you have had with government entities that convince you that they are so awful.
Gonzomax has got it right. Just got an email the other day reminding me I’m overdue for a couple of things.
Of course, since I’m using private insurance now, I’m not about to waste my time and energy trying to get a freakin’ mammogram. It’s all I can do to deal with this insurance and try to get it to pay for my more critical doctors’ visits.
It kills me to hear people talk about “rationing” in relation to public healthcare. “You never know what procedures will be denied until you have one,” is right on, Gonzo.
We’re not supposed to pay for someone else’s healthcare because “that’s theft”, says one of our dear members: By that reasoning, I shouldn’t have to pay school taxes (I don’t have kids in school) or taxes to maintain roads in my home state (I don’t drive there) or taxes to support public transit (I don’t use it) or taxes to support home state parks and green areas (I don’t use them) or taxes for any number of other services that I don’t use. It’s called “the cost of living in a free society”: you don’t really believe that you have many individual freedoms, do you? Your life is controlled by the oil companies, the insurance companies, and (to a lesser extent) the government, among others.
He also doesn’t like government “involvement in the health care industry on any level”: So no oversight whatsoever is the order of the day. Let profit-motivated, greedy executives rape our country and its citizens without contstraint. Sort of like the S&L mess some years ago, or the banking fiasco last year. That’s what happens when you remove the leash from a vicious dog, and what has led to the worst economic mess since the 1930s. It’s simplistic thinking and it’s wrong-headed.
He’s also shaking the Constitution at us, rattling its pages and telling us how all this is unconstitutional. So what does one call the suspension of habeus corpus, wire-tapping of private citizens, dragging citizens overseas and torturing them for information (rendition), to name a few? I didn’t hear any clamor about the constitution from the right when all that was going on, when it was clear to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that we were being routinely fucked up the ass with our own Constitution by Cheney and company.
Love it or leave it? Fuck that. Leaving is the coward’s way out and suggesting it is the coward’s way of arguing a point when he has no substance.
Agree.
Agree.
Agree.
Agree.
No argument here.
Yes.
The companies and corporations have no control over me. Only government has control over me. Hence my focus is on limiting government.
The market will take care of it.
Define “greed.”
The government was to blame for much of it.
Unconstitutional.
You’re correct - the right should have been vocal about it. BTW: I am not right-wing.
You are Libertarian, right? At least this sounds like it to me.
I was Libertarian in my younger days (discovered the principles in high school, and started voting that way as soon as I was eighteen). I initially grew disenchanted and stopped voting (realized we could never get there from here), then stopped following politics completely, until last year. I still get Libertarianism, and I still think that a lot more Americans would be Libertarians if there was a snowball’s chance in Sarasota that a Libertarian could be elected to higher office.
Forgive my hijack if I am mistaken, Crafter_Man.
They will permit you to rent an umbrella from them, for as long as you like, but the deal’s off if it rains.
I have a feeling this is the core of the disagreement here.
This is the core of the problem. In relation to healthcare, it’s perfectly plain to most people the market is not working. Even if there was genuine competition in State markets economies of scale always force competitors to merge.
As a society the US is paying 50% more than France or Germany for healthcare and is ranked at 37th in the world, as well as having a lower life expectancy.
It’s not a market, it’s a license to empty peoples wallets.
According to this Union site there is a new pre-existing medical condition:
You kind of run out of words with that one . . .
Funny how the market works very well for dentistry. There is minimal government involvement in dentistry, and dentists can (and do) compete.