I have never suggested any such vile thing!
When, oh, when will you cease to mischaracterize and misrepresent my posts!
When you can write like this:
Well, can ya? Punk?
Read it at 16, brat, living on a SAC base. Rocked my world. And, no, not even close.
Not exactly as innocent as you are making it appear. Here is the whole story by David Corn who co-authored the book
rest of the story–
Forgot to include this part of the article-
“Rove confirmed the classified information to Novak and then leaked it himself as part of an effort to undermine a White House critic. Afterward, the White House falsely insisted that neither Rove nor Libby had been involved in the leak and vowed that anyone who had participated in it would be bounced from the administration.” – quoted from above
I’ve said it before: Rove has a peculiar genius. Rove saw this as both an opportunity to attack a critic and to identify a scapegoat if it should be traced back to him. You have to respect his cunning.
Now… when is Scylla going to return and check on the turd he left in the punchbowl?
I’ll have to disagree here; Rove does not have a particular genius; he does have a particular ability to disregard the decency of normal societal parameters, in the bulldog sense of winning, but what Genius is that? Not one I would like in determining a fair-minded society, at all. Cunning, yes ,opportunistic, yes, if you admire a jackal eyeing a kill, and running down the newly minted prey as easy pickens.
Why do we appreciate this sort of action as being at all worthwhile?
Let us review the whole sordid mess:
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Joe Wilson goes to Niger because his wife, the CIA agent tells him to. He farts around, and doesn’t find anything, and he writes a report about it.
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The administration takes a contrary stance to Joe Wilson’s conclusion. Presumably Wilson’s report was not the sum total of all information available from which to base a decision.
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Joe Wilson apparently thinks his opinion is the sum total of all information available, or else he’s out to get the Administration so he writes an article about how he was sent by the Government on this trip. His wife, being a supposed secret agent and all, this probably wasn’t the best way to keep a low profile, but hey… Apparently he had an axe to grind and an agenda to serve.
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In conjunction with Wilson’s report a memo is widely circulated that names Joe Wilson’s wife as the person who sent Joe. No mention is made that she is a secret agent, covert operative, or what have you.
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Armitage among others sees this memo, and he it discusses with people including reporters Woodward and Novak.
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Novak discusses it with Rove and confirms it.
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Novak writes an article.
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Left wing fruitcakes go berserk and claim Rove, Cheney, Bush, Libby, the ghost of Richard Nixon have outed covert agent Valerie Plame as retribution.
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Fitzgerald investigates and finds that no crime was committed in regards to this leak, but indicts Scooter for obstruction and perjury type things as regards the investigation.
My conclusions:
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Plame and Wilson certainly didn’t act like Plame had a covert status to be protected, nor did her agency. Wilson’s advertising his secret mission in the New York Times, and a memo is widely circulated that Plame recommended Wilson make this a difficult argument. The memo does not say “BTW don’t tell anybody, because Plame is a covert operative.” So, I don’t think much of Plame’s covert status (if it actually existed,) being compromised.
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No vendetta against Plame was organized and her name was not leaked to the press in retribution. Armitage was speaking about it freely and openly with prominent members of the press among others, and had no malice, nor intent, nor knowledge that Plame was covertish.
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It is not known what Rove thought or knew about Plame’s notional covert status when he confirmed with Novak.
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Since neither Plame, the CIA, Armitage, Wilson, the memo, Rove, or anybody else acted like Plame was a secret agent with covert status to protect until after the story was out either this was a big “oopsie, we forgot” or Plame’s covertishness is a construction latched onto after the fact. In either case, it’s difficult to take seriously.
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Dick Cheney and Bush had nothing to do with the “outing”
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Left-wingers got a lot of mileage out of casting accusations, and speciously undermining the integrity of the administration, our war effort, and gave our enemies fodder against us.
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The news media is remarkably quiet on this rather startling piece of information concerning the full-of-shittedness of all the conspiracy retribution theories especially considering what a free for all of fascination it was while the accusations were being made. You think they’d be more interested.
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I was able to make a metaphor to cow cannulation and Bricker was able to quote Mark Twain while making debating points while the best you lefties could do was “Snakes on a Plame.”
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If you eat like 10 freshly baked chocolate chip cookies all at once you’ll get a stomach ache.
Let’s make it a lot shorter.
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Joe Wilson is sent to Niger to investigate a claim about uranium and Iraq.
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Wilson does and says the claim is false.
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White House ignores Wilson’s correct information and goes to war based partially on this false information.
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White House admits the info was wrong but right wing radio manages to fool a large number of Americans to this day.
*July 8, 2003
(CBS/AP) Amid questions about prewar intelligence, the White House is acknowledging that President Bush was incorrect when he said in his State of the Union address that Iraq recently had sought significant quantities of uranium in Africa. *
- **Scylla ** ingores inculpatory quotes from his own source material.
- Fear Itself doesn’t show which quote he’s referring to.
- “Farts around” is an editorial projection on your part. He found what there was to find: bupkiss.
2.The Administration takes a position contrary to the facts. But nice try, hoping to suggest that there is some debate possible about the facts. No sale.
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Nobody suggests that Mr. Wilson was under any more, or any less, obligation to obey the law as regard covert agents. It is entirely true that Mr. Wilson has an agenda. Since you cannot deny the facts, you are free to imply nefarious motives for revealing same.
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A “widely circulated memo”? Define, please.
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Entirely true! Good show!
6, 7. Yeah, ok, and so?
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It was only the fruitcakes. The rest of us were quite calm in our denigration. It was a sucky thing to do, trying to smear a man for telling the truth.
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Yes. So what? Whether or not a crime was committed, a stinky thing was done, an unethical thing. Punishing truth is repulsive.
and now to the lame conclusions…
Didn’t her agency refer the matter for investigation? Kinda makes your point pure crap, don’t it?
No. We are assured that Mr. Armitage had nothing to do with it. That’s all.
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is ok, but pointless. You dont know what or when Rove knew. Niether do I.
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Difficult for* you* to take seriously. Not the same thing as a universal assertion.
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Not proven, not even illuminated. Zip, zero, nada damn thing.
Gotta stop now, go puke my guts out.
I’ll be honest with you. This post, in my opinion, is too stupid to waste much time on. I’m sorry I read it. Now that I have, I’m only going to cherry pick.
When you have access to sensitive information, and you don’t know [make ‘duh’ sound here] about the status, covert or other wise, of the people involved, why in the fucking hell would you confirm the information to a journalist before finding out?
And to do this, we must assume that it is even plausible to have access to enough information to make the confirmation, but be without knowledge of the covert status of the operative. Because that’s normally how most sensitive information is distributed amongst those in the know… first the information is given, later, if at all, the confidential nature of the information is made known. :rolleyes:
I’ll shorten this up even better than Lamar.
1)Scylla post something without understanding what he is posting.
2)Rather than admit he was mistaken, Scylla plugs away against the left wingers like the knee jerk political hack that he is.
Face it folks. Scylla isn’t going to listen. This thread is troll feeding.
Sure, but Scylla is Troll Emeritus.
He’s got tenure, making a gaping asshole of himself time and time again. He would be a better Bill O’Reilly than Bill O’Reilly! He is capable of such serpentine convolutions make a can of worms look like a plumb line! Its like a cow patty rendered as macrame.
<golf clap>
Demonstrably not true. Cheney’s handwritten notes on the Wilson column ring a bell?
I wouldn’t crow too loudly just yet. I’d hold off on that until the book is out because I think there are going to be lots of revelations about the whole affair as hinted by Corn’s blog & the article by Isikoff.
I love how Armitage is being portrays as the Paris Hilton of the Bush administration. He was the Deputy Secretary of State for crying out loud.
Regardless of who told Novak initially, there is still evidence to suggest that in the hands of White House officials the information wasn’t dispensed accidentally by a silly gossip, but used in an effort to discredit Wilson, for his criticism of the Bush administration’s use of pre-war Intel on Iraq.
This isn’t my conclusion but the conclusion from excerpts of the book that you based your OP on.
So, what the defense is, is:
This was not evil men revealing classified material for petty personal reasons.
This was stupid men, revealing classified materials for no reason whatsoever.
Republican Party faithful, rejoice! The old faithful “we’re not evil, we’re just stupid” defense has saved you again!
Thanks, Scylla I might have worried, without you assurances.
Tris
Seconded. It is so exceptionally stupid it could have only been produced by someone with significant impairments or who is actively trolling, or both.
As I understand it, even though it is okay to call people out for trolling, it is not yet okay to troll, right? At least I can tell Scylla that he remains lower than shitstains on Karl Rove’s underpants. I know that’s just what he wants, but it’s kind of like a big shiny button that has to be pushed.