Wow. Thanks, John. How on earth could Gonzales keep this from Bush?
Reasons to hate Bush:
1.)The War. A very bad idea.
2.)The way the war has been prosecuted. Lots of little bad ideas.
3.)A tax policy that favors the rich and ignores the middle class.
4.)Fiscal irresponsibility and the looming deficit.
5.)Lack of a coherent and effective counter-terror strategy five years after 9/11.
6.)The war.
7.)Shredding the constitution and using it for toilet paper.
8.)Pandering to extremist lunatics including but not limited to
a.)The defense of marriage amendment
b.)Flying back to Washington to sign bill regarding Terry Schiavo
c.)Lying–more or less–about stem cell research.
9.)Appointing incompetent cronies to positions of power (Meirs, Brown), leading to, among other things…
10.)…The catastrophic federal response to hurricane Katrina (less important in Bush’s mind than Terry Schiavo, apparently). “Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job.”
11.)Did I mention the war?
12.)Ignoring climate change completely.
Reasons to like Bush:
1.)It wasn’t Rove who leaked Plame’s name, it was some other dude, a dude named Armitage.
Hooray for Bush!
(Ok, Bush seems to be trying to find a real solution on immigration, and he was right about the Dubai ports deal. But he still sucks.)
Again going from what I heard during the interveiw with Isikoff, it was to keep Bush’s fingers off this whole issue. The investigation was already underway and if Bush took some action, like firing someone, then that might compromise the investigation. It sounds a bit sleezy to me, but I guess it’s not that unusual.
BTW, I didn’t fully answer your original question. Powell did know about Armitrage very early on because Armitage told him right after the thing blew up (shortly after Novak wrote his column).
No, it wasn’t Rove who said that-- maybe it was the folks at the CIA when Novak called them. They wouldn’t have confirmed the info, but they might have told him not to pursue or print anything.
I believe Rove claims to have said something like: Yeah, I heard that, too when Novak asked him or mentioned that he heard that Plame was CIA.
But on the Bush scale of discipline, that is harsh punishment. He usually gives them medals.
Jesus H. Christ. Another reason that I remain firmly independent. If the Republicans put up a good candidate in 2008, maybe I’ll be forced to vote for him.
Trust me, I despise Bush as much as anyone here, but would it fucking kill liberals to once in a while say, “you were right, Bush was right (in this particular instance), and we rushed inappropriately to judgement with incomplete facts. We’re sorry.”
Um. Being extremely well-acquainted, as I am, with the publicly reported aspects of the Plame investigation as a result of my job, I can easily say that no one has demonstrated, based on what’s being reported right now, that Bush was right about anything in this particular instance.
What, precisely, do you imagine these latest reports make Bush right about? In which way, precisely, are you claiming that people rushed to judgment inappropriately?
I’ll raise my hand and say I thought that Plame was outed by someone in the administration in an effort to discredit her husband’s (not necessarily to out her, I think that was just an unfortunate side effect) report that oone important aspect of the administration’s case for war was based on either cherrypicked, unreliable or a poor interpretation of information (I forget which). Maybe it was done to punish him, I dunno. I have plenty of grievances with Karl Rove but basically he is a dirty unethical political pit fighter who can get a monkey elected president by making people afraid of a human president, I think his political skills were critical to the deception necessary to sell us the war in Iraq White House Iraq Group - Wikipedia
and I thought that the Valerie Plame affair was part of the strategy.
The story about the cow stomchs was a bit disturbing.
I’m not a liberal but I’ve defended Bush when I agreed with him (admittedly there haven’t been too many times this has happened) but this new revelation really has changed the already known facts.
The early judgement was that Rove leaked classified information. This has since been confirmed. The fact that other members of the Bush administration also leaked this information hardly qualifies as a exoneration.
Care to retract your assertion that Armitage was “the” source for Novak and Woodward, Scylla?
Cheney and Rove will be the last people to be upset over political hardball playing. They play a pretty tough game themselves and they throw plenty of beaners, so I don’t think it will hurt their feelings to have suffered a political attack.
Oh and they both are evil and have hot gay sex while dressed as farm animals.
Oh and how does the guy reach into the second stomach? Is there a second door there?
As you must know, any new finding inconsistent with the original understanding negates the entire chain of logic, eradicates all facts, and further, serves as undeniable proof that the opposite is true.
This is why, when Willard Libby’s calculated carbon-14 half life was found to be off several hundred years by a team from Cambridge, Libby was immediately stripped of his Nobel prize, he was sentenced to prison, and the entire field of archaeology was abolished in favor of literal biblical history.
:smack: I’d forgotten about that.
Carry on, then.
John, you know that given a choice between believing you and Scott McClellan, I’ll almost always choose you. Shit, given the choice between believing Joe Isuzu and Scott McClellan, I’ll be buying a car that goes faster than a speeding bullet.
But in this case, I gotta go with McClellan:
(emphasis added)
Daniel
Poor Scotty-- he got thrown to the lions. As you know, I was making a joke above, but Bush never said he’d fire the folks who leaked classified information. I suppose you can say McLellan = Bush, and usually that should be the case. But that guy got hung out to dry-- he really was kept out of the loop. I still like my version of Bush “taking care” of the perps. 
I dunno; I really don’t feel so sorry for him. He was pretty complicit in his getting hung out to dry, in my opinion.
I know you were joking, but I think I’ve heard folks trying to argue that Bush wasn’t saying he’d fire anyone involved in the leak before, folks trying to spin his statement into something else. I wanted to kibosh that.
Bush didn’t say it, but when your spokesman says something, you need to not let it go if it doesn’t represent what you think, or what you intend to do. One of the few things I’m willing to believe about McClellan is that he accurately represented what Bush wanted to say to the media.
Daniel
It does, if you squint your eyes real tight, and hum “I’m not listening” over and over. Obviously, while not a liberal, you are not a Republican, or you would know this. Why do you hate freedom?
Tris
SPOILER ALERT: Don’t click the link if you’re reading Harry Potter, but haven’t finished Book 6!
Link’s also got likely NSFW language.
I prefer Snapes on a Plane.
He wasn’t the first to reveal such information! That means kinda like someone yelling “Olly, Olly, All in Free!” or “King’s X”! If somebody else breaks the law before you do, you’re not breaking the law.
You could look it up.
You look it up. What do we look like, lawyers?