Which person on the other side of the aisle would you vote for?

Not necessarily. There are lots of bad things going on, we don’t take government action to correct all of them.

The REpublicans can be blamed for not agreeing to pick the low hanging fruit, but the problem with low hanging fruit is that the cost/benefit analysis doesn’t favor picking it. When other nations come up with good examples for us to follow with their government intervention, then maybe we can follow their examples. As long as they continue to not have success, we shouldn’t follow their example.

I’ve seen no scientific analysis that any of the proposed solutions we’ve seen so far would make much of a dent.

It’s like the drug problem. You can attack the supply all you want, but as long as consumers hunger for cheap fossil fuels they will get them. You have to attack the demand side. There’s no political will to do that.

Can you requote what I posted and redo your response without putting words into my mouth? Specifically the part about assuming I want government solutions for “all” problems. I’d rather respond to something I said than something you think I said, thanks.

You said that if I acknowledge that it is real, then I’ll have to support doing something about it. Which is not really correct.

In response to pizzaguy: all of the moderate republicans are democrats. See: Obama, Harry Reid, and about half the Democratic party really, maybe more.

Yikes. Even Qin isn’t naming any present Republicans!

That’s a fair pivot.

The answer is still, “None of the above”, however. A President needs a base of support and there aren’t any organized neurotypical Republicans left. You can be a sensible guy, but you can’t govern without a base of support.

I’m not saying that couldn’t change. There are plenty of conservatives in the country like Bricker for example insofar as post 65 is concerned.
Anyway, Huntsman was neurotypical, but he couldn’t have governed effectively without a constituency. So the answer is, “None of the above.”

The Affordable Care Act is a substantial expansion of the safety net. It was done in a deficit cutting manner, so it involve a whole new raft of progressive taxes, in particular the net investment income tax, applying to married households with income above $250,000.

Also, in the absence of record obstructionism by the Republican Party, we probably would have gotten higher infrastructure spending.

So no, you’re wrong.

That’s not the part I was referring to. Looks like no candy for you

Ah yes the burn down the village in order to save it idea. :smiley:

The problem is that the connection between politics and results is not always clear, especially to voters with a vested interest in an idological world view. The rising crime, disease, and homeless due to the gutting of the well fare system, can be blamed on the legalization of gay marriage and marijuana for example.

So what was rising crime and homelessness to blame on when the welfare system was expanding in the 1960s and 1970s?

Actually visible homelessness skyrocketed during the Reagan administration. Crime rose from 1960 to 1980, continued rising from 1980 to about 1992, and fell during the Clinton administration. It continued falling after 2001, albeit at a slower rate. Charts here: Lead: America’s Real Criminal Element – Mother Jones

To be clear though, I’m making no causal claims with regards to federal policy, though I find the lead hypothesis to be a compelling one.

I do as well. However, I think many 90s policy changes also contributed. Stiffer sentencing(crime has dropped, but the prison population continues to rise), policing changes(especially in New York, which went from one of the most dangerous cities in the country to one of the safest), welfare reform certainly didn’t hurt either.

Nope, not voting for any Republican. I can remember when there were sane ones, but the concept of “Loyal Opposition” has died. Especially when all successful Texas Republicans belong to the batshit wing of the party. (I never voted for Kay Bailey Hutchison, but she was always The Sane Republican Senator from Texas; Ted Cruz succeeded her.)

I don’t feel all warm & fuzzy over Bush The Smarter–his pardons in Iran/Contra didn’t endear him to me. And I remember Jeb Bush for his part in getting his brother appointed President.

Third party advocates need to begin organizing locally. I’m not going to waste a Presidential vote for one of their pretend candidates, even if the Electoral College means my vote probably won’t count. I was glad I voted for Gore–not Nader…

Oh I know it would be bad, maybe not post apocalypse bad, but pretty rough for quite a while. I just honestly think sometimes its worth it to bring about a better change for the long term future.