Which would be easier? Changing a woman's political opinion or talking her out of using a smartphone?

I’ve been thinking about this lately, and I’ve discussed this with my buddies. They said both would be equally unlikely. That tells me nothing.

I’ve been dating off and on. Nothing too deep. But I want to get serious soon. I think I’m ready for a long term relationship. There’s two things worrying me though. The majority of the women in my dating pool have political opinions that clash with mine, sort of. That alone doesn’t bother me, it’s the LIFESTYLES that are usually associated with those opinions that are problematic. Then we have these friggin smart phones. Like, everyone has a smartphone, even some homeless people. The reasons I’m opposed to smartphones is a subject by itself. I’d feel more comfortable if my future serious girlfriend ditched her smartphone. But I believe it will be damn near impossible to get her to part.

I’m thinking maybe I would be more successful if I focused only on one thing. What are your thoughts? Which would be easier?

I think you should focus on improving yourself, not your hypothetical girlfriends.

Just find a dating service for people of your political persuasion.

Please, do expound on your issues with smartphones and womens’ political lifestyles…

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Have you read the posting about misogyny in another thread about chunky gymnasts? You might want to check that out before going too much farther with this. Look for my screen name.

That she is a woman doesn’t define her politics or what/if type of phone she carries.

I have known very, very few long term relationships that thrive when political views are wildly divergent. Tread carefully, eyes wide open there.

Do you have a cell phone of any kind? Did anyone tell you what type of phone you could have? Did they get away with it?

The likelihood of you finding a person willing to forego a smartphone is next to nil. Statistically insignificant. Do not even go there.

Do you also want to keep her barefoot and down on the farm?

Don’t focus on either of those things. Re-examine your motives and then try again.

Any relationship that starts with strategising which things to change about the other person is not going to end well.

I don’t see any reason that a person of either sex would allow a potential partner to change their political opinion or cause them to stop using their smart phone.

I think you are more likely to find a woman of your political persuasion than one who either doesn’t have a smart phone or would give their up for you. Of the two that is certainly the crazier ask unless you are of a political persuasion that wants women barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen and even then I know women who dig that.

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Next on the SDMB: “Which would be easier? Changing a troglodyte’s political opinion or talking him out of using sexist stereotypes?”

Kenobi_65. You just gifted me with a snort/laugh that was perfectly delightful. Thank you.

In his only other thread since he joined on July 15, Mr Van expresses astonishment that lightning bugs are not incendiary:

“It’s good to know that fireflies cannot cause fires! I wonder why they are called fireflies? That’s misleading!”

Clearly Mr Van doesn’t get out much. It seems he also needs some guidance in normal human-to-human relationships.

(apologies for the sloppy quoting; I don’t know how to cite one thread within another yet)

It’s impossible to change anybody’s political opinion and you’re more likely to get somebody to stop using their legs than their smartphone. These statements are true regardless of gender.

I’m not going to tell you to change yourself, but you really ought to change your dating pool. Fishing for trout in an aviary is a losing proposition.

He might not get out much because of his assumptions about human relationships.

I don’t know about their politics, but all the troglodytes I know are adamant philosophical Platonists. It must be something about their upbringing.

I don’t know. When I consult my buddies on how to tame one of these hippie women out of her LIFESTYLE they all tell me you have to start real slow, or she’ll just buck ya and run off to a commune.
First you have to talk her out of wearing pants.
Then you have to talk her out of putting flowers in her hair.
Then you have to talk her out of listening to that devil music.
If you get that far, you can stop her from hitch-hiking.
Then maybe you can convince her to stop going to college where they put all those LIFESTYLE ideas in her head.
After that, you can get her to focus just on cooking and raising babies.

Then–and only then–according to my buddies, can you go for the smartphone and the political opinions. But you’ll need back up.

I’m dubious about that. I think you’ve got a good bit more to learn first.

For one thing, as others have said, heading into any relationship, with a person of any gender, under the presumption that you’re going to change significant things about them is just asking for trouble. If it’s important for you to be with somebody who agrees with you politically, or to live a particular lifestyle, look for somebody who’s already doing that, or at least something somewhat like it. Yes, that’s going to give you a smaller dating pool. Lots of people have small dating pools, for any of lots of different reasons. Many of them get paired up anyway.

An even bigger problem is the way you’re asking whether it would be easier to change "a woman"s opinions about her politics or about her phone, as if we were all some sort of generic female and the same answer could be applied to all of us. It might be possible to answer whether, say, Jane over there could be gotten to change her politics or to ditch her phone or neither one. It isn’t possible to answer whether it’s easier to get “a woman” to do one or the other, because an accurate answer for Jane is going to be different from an accurate answer for Hashka which is going to be different from an accurate answer for Minerva.

And while we’re at it: if you think it’s necessary for somebody to change their political opinions or their behavior about smartphones in order for you to have a relationship: why shouldn’t that somebody be you? Why are you expecting any woman to change, if you’re unwilling to change yourself?

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Let’s not have misogynistic OPs like this one, please.

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