Whiny, TMI, and Long -- Why Soul is Happily Frightened

You know, I’ve lurked here for years. I’ve only got 300-some posts, so I’m rather faceless amongst the crowd, but I feel as though I’ve known all of you for so very long. In a way, it’s as though I’m a peeping tom and I’ve grown overly fond of my voyeuristic victims. So do forgive me for pouring my heart out like this; though I’m a stranger to you, you’re all dear friends to me in a strange way.

I graduated from college this past Saturday with a bachelor’s degree in sociology. It should have been a happy thing, but it wasn’t. At first, I thought it was the ceremony itself that had me down. My father died last July and he had wanted so very badly to be there to see me graduate. One of his final requests was for me to keep a bit of his ashes from being buried so that a small part of him could be there with me when I turned my tassel. So I sat on the football field at the University of Georgia last weekend, being congratulated on my accomplishments, turning my father’s keepsake urn over in my hands and trying not to cry. It didn’t work then, and it’s not working now.

But as that day passed, I realized that it wasn’t my father’s simultaneous presence and absence that had me down. It was the fact that I had this fucking albatross of a degree hanging around my neck. Yeah, I like sociology. It’s interesting. Balloon animals are interesting, too, and I don’t want to spend the rest of my life making them, either. Going around trying to find a job in my field for the past few months has had me feeling like shit, and now I know why. It wasn’t because I was having fuckall luck – it was because I didn’t want to do that crap in the first place.

I changed my major to sociology just after my sophomore year at college. Before that, I had been pre-med/biotechnology. I was a fine student at first, but during the second half of my sophomore year my grades began to slide. I didn’t know what to think at first – I had always been a good student, but more and more I was becoming disengaged from my classes, finding it impossible to become motivated to study or even get out of bed. Later, I would find out that this was around the time I was just starting to experience major depressive disorder, but at the time I thought I was just somehow becoming more and more useless. I got very down on myself, gave up my pre-med ambitions, and fell into sociology. It’s an interesting major, but it ain’t exactly challenging, and that’s why I picked it.

I tried and tried and tried to convince myself that sociology was truly what I wanted to do, and I damn near succeeded. I spent a year on antidepressants and in therapy, and I started to feel better about myself. Then my dad was diagnosed with cancer of the lung and brain on May 10th, 2007. It was my parents’ thirty-second wedding anniversary, and his birthday was three days later. He died July 29th. By the end, he didn’t know my or anyone else’s name, nor could he speak. He died in pain, literally screaming in agony, surrounded by his loved ones. That was a hell of a time to come off of my antidepressants, and I was on shaky ground for a while. My grades weren’t as good as I wanted them to be, but I’ll be damned if I didn’t come out of UGA with a 3.5 GPA.

My senior year passed with little incident. I just wanted to get the hell out of college. And I did get out, and I’ve been out for six days now. But it was yesterday that did it in.

I was driving to visit my mother in Alabama, where she had moved after my dad died. The weather was horrible and my mood was worse. My job search was (and is) going poorly, and I was once again going over in my mind all of the different options I could explore. And then it just hit me. Not one of the things I was thinking of was something I wanted to do, nor would it ever lead me to something I wanted to do. I had had one dream for years, and no matter how hard I had tried to deny it or bury it or forget about it, it was the same one I had when I came to college. I want to be a doctor. I want to be a doctor, not a social worker, not a juvenile probation/parole specialist, a d-o-c-t-o-r doctor.

It hit me then how hard I had really been trying to fool myself into thinking sociology was truly what I wanted to do, without even really trying to do it. It hit me then that I had had one dream for this long and I had ignored it. And most importantly of all, it hit me then that I was going to regret denying that dream for the rest of my life.

Rain was coming down, I was driving down the road crying like a child who had just watched his entire family and puppy get hit by a blimp piloted by Hitler, and I realized then and there that I was at a crossroads. I hadn’t thought about it, but for the past few days little unintentional self-destructive thoughts had been crawling through my mind. In sudden clarity, I recognized them for what they were – my therapist had called them suicidal ideation. Not actual thoughts of suicide, not a true desire to off myself, but little ideas like “God, it would be easier just to shoot myself than deal with this.” Things I had thought hundreds of time a day every day that I was depressed. So I realized I had a choice – try to make my dream come true, or spend the rest of my life alternating between wishing I had and wishing for death.

So I don’t know how I’m going to do it, but I am. I don’t care what it takes, who I have to beg, I’m going to do it. I’m going to take classes at night to get my organic chemistry grades up. I’m going to study biology, physics, and chemistry to blow the MCAT out of the fucking water. I’m going to try and parlay my experience into a tech job at a hospital somewhere around here. I’m going to volunteer or work part-time at the Hospice in town, both to give back to them for how they helped my family and to – to be honest – look better on an application.

I don’t know how, but I’m going to become a doctor, and nothing is going to stand in my way. It’s my dream, and I would rather die than not chase it.
oh god I’m scared oh god I’m scared oh god I’m scared

Go for it!!

After you become a doctor, I suggest being a writer as well. Seriously. That was an awesome post.

That sounds like a pretty authentic journey, y’know? There are probably a few people who take off like an arrow and never falter, but I think the majority of us wiggle waggle a bit on the way.

Your hospice volunteering sounds like a wonderful step.

Good luck!

Incidentally, this is how my mom – most of the way through a B.A. in English – decided to switch streams and start down the road to medicine. It impressed the heck out of the person who processed her application at McGill (he was apparently a big old hippie and it was the Haight-Ashbury Free Clinic she worked at), and she’s been a doctor for nearly thirty years now.

Godspeed!

Go for it
NOW.

A dream deferred is a dream denied
Someone smarter than I said that

This post actually gives me a little inspiration of my own. I majored in psychology because I liked it. But…I don’t want to be a psychologist. I kind of figured that out my senior year when I should have been thinking about grad school…but I never had a clear direction on where I wanted to go.

Since I’ve been a little boy, I’ve always wanted to be a writer. I know that that’s what I’m going to do, someday. Right now everybody tells me I should get a “real job” first and then work on my writing on the side. But I would be happiest writing…it’s a tough decision.

I also recently realized that I love animals…all kinds. And I’ve put serious thought into going to veterinary school and putting my career in that direction. Helping animals by day, writing by night. :smiley: But it’s hard for me because I spent 4 years getting a degree in psychology…and to suddenly switch tracks makes me feel like I wasted my time.

Anyway, the point is, your post made me realize that I’m not the only one in this position and you should always strive to do what makes you happy. So I wish you good luck and encourage you to go for your dream. :slight_smile:

Do what you want, not what you feel you “must.” Life is short - live it hard and live it to the maximum, even if that means taking the hard road or avoiding the safe path. From your post, it sounds like you have a pretty accurate understanding of the amount of effort it will take, so that this isn’t a pipe dream for you, but a dream that you’ve turned into a workable goal.

Be scared, recognize the fear, ride it out, and then do the work anyway. You CAN do this.

I’m so sorry about your father, Soul. I lost my dad too at a relatively young age (I was 25; he was 49) and have had to do for the last 20 years without him.

Good luck on your new goal! My best friend is a doctor, something she wanted to do her whole life, too. She took off a couple years between college and entering medical school, working in a research lab. She has never regretted it and it certainly didn’t put her behind or anything.

We’re all here for you at SD! Give us a chance and we’ll care for you as much as you do us! :slight_smile:

Aaaand, just to break up the monotony of all these “yeah, go for it!” posts… :wink:
As someone who is about a year from graduating medical school, I would like to just make a few comments about the dream vs. the reality in the name of “informed consent”.

It is important to be unflinchingly honest with yourself about your mental stability. Physicians have a higher risk of suicide than the general public. There is a reason for this.
If you are prone towards depression or suicidality, there is a good chance that there will be times in your medical training that push you towards the brink.

Just the process of applying to med school is emotionally draining. You will deal with a lot of rejection, and maybe even with hostile interviewers who are trying to make you feel inadequate. You may go through the trouble of applying and not get any interviews at all - or get to the interview and then get grilled about why you let your grades slip for a while there.
Some peopel say “The hardest part is getting in”, but once you’re in it’s no picnic either.
The first time in my life that I ever cried over a grade was in med school. I had always been a strong academic student, and suddenly I was faced with the first time I ever truly feared that I wasn’t going to pass a class. None of it is hard to grasp conceptually, but the sheer volume of info in med school is intense.
And the prospect of failure is far more high stakes in medical school once you’ve started to accumulate massive student loan debt.
By the way, I’ll probably graduate with about $150,000 in student loan debt, and that’s on the low end of the range since I was lucky enough to get into my home state’s public medical school. God help the person who gets into a private med school, racks up a few tens of thousands in debt, and only after the first year or two realizes that being a doctor isn’t what they thought it would be - because there comes a point where you pretty much have no choice but to finish just because of the loans.
The stress and pressure you deal with in medical school is tremendous (even though med students typically don’t have that much true responsibility for patients), and it gets even worse in residency (where you do have enough responsibility to actually kill someone).
Yes, I do know of residents who have inadvertently killed someone. A career in medicine makes you realize that no matter how smart you are, or how hard you try to be perfect, you’ll never know everything and never be truly perfect. That can also be a tough thing to cope with if you’re someone with perfectionist tendencies.

Having social bonds helps with mental wellness, but medicine definitely puts a strain on those social bonds. You will have to make sacrifices in your personal life to make it as a doc. There will be times when you may miss important family events or won’t have time to go out with friends. Unlike many other jobs, in medical school you’re not allowed to take a sick day if you just don’t feel like coming in. I just recently had a day where I worked 10 hours and still felt guilty for leaving “early”. While individual docs may be more laidback, the overall culture of medicine is that medicine should be the most important thing in your life, and if it isn’t you’re a lesser doc than your peers who have dedicated their whole lives to it.

Don’t count on your supervisors to necessarily be understanding if you do have a hard time coping. There are plenty of people who became doctors because it sounded like a good way to make money, not to “help people”, and they won’t necessarily have much empathy. I’ve worked with doctors who delighted in making students feel stupid or inferior, and all you can do is just accept that kind of treatment since it’s not like other jobs where you can switch to a different company if you’re not happy with your boss. You may also experiences times in med school when you feel you were graded unfairly because your supervising doc/resident just didn’t like you as a person, even though you didn’t do anything objectively wrong - another source of frustration and depression.

So for all these reasons, I encourage you to think carefully about this decision. I’m not saying it’s wrong for you - just know what you’re getting yourself into, because medicine is a career that a lot of people outside the profession romanticize.
I have very supportive family/friends, but there were times even I felt like even they just didn’t understand what I was dealing with.

Also be aware that many other careers in the health profession can be just as, if not MORE, rewarding than being a doctor without being as stressful and time-consuming in their educational requirements.
Honestly, I feel like nurses typically get more truly meaningful “face time” with patients than many doctors do. Most doctors are just too busy, and tend to spend more time reading their patient’s chart than actually holding the patient’s hand.

There have been times that I’ve really envied Physician Assistants because they have more flexibility in switching to another specialty than doctors do (simply because the process of training to be a PA is far less grueling than completing a physician residency is). It’s tough if, like me, you reach the point of applying to residency without being 100% sure what you want to specialize in, so you worry that you may have come this far only to end up making the wrong choice in the end.

People on the outside of the profession tend to think of becoming a doctor as the “best” career in medicine (probably to a large extent because people look at the income docs make and don’t realize you need to spend years paying off that aforementioned crapload of student loan debt before you can truly enjoy that income level). But in reality, if you don’t truly like what the job requires and offers, you will be miserable and may have been a lot happier with one of the medical careers that is “lower” on the totem pole.

Nope, not at all. Think of how your study of psychology will help you with frantic/depressed/angry/grieving/celebrating/frightened pet owners. Think of all you learned about conditioning, and training (works on animals as well as humans :wink: ) and development - lots of that applies to animals without even anthropomorphizing them. Think of all you learned about yourself - from your first freshman laughably wrong self-diagnosis to your senior year genuine insights.

I’ve gone through about 10 years of schooling post high school, in various fields, and only about 20 credits of that will transfer to what I’m doing next. I started to get down on myself about being the “perpetual student” and “wasting all that time and money” on things like massage school that I’m not using anymore. But you know what? My AA degree taught me what I don’t want to do. My medicinal herbalism training taught me I love healing and I love patient education. My massage therapy training taught me I love healing through touch. My next step, nursing, isn’t going to discard those things - it’s a further evolution of those same drives and desires. Even if I can’t recommend herbs to a patient directly, I’ll always have that knowledge, and I’ll be able to work my way onto alt medicine panels and complementary medicine committees and do work uniting alt medicine practitioners and nurses using their own language, if I want to. Even if I never give a 60 minute format full body massage again, I’ll always have the knowledge of gentle healing touch that my patients will appreciate, even if they don’t know how I know it.

Everything you’ve learned has shaped you, and brought you to this place where now you can see your next step. Does it look like a detour from the outside? Sure. But you’re bringing all that book knowledge and self knowledge with you. It will influence your new course of study in ways you won’t anticipate.

Soul, you don’t need our permission, of course, but I think you’re doing exactly the right thing, and I get the sense your dad would be thrilled to have a doctor for a kid.

Remember, fear is energy. Literally, it’s your body pumping out adrenaline and other hormones that it can use to run really really fast or to make you stronger than normal so you can fight. It’s strength and speed. Don’t avoid it, harness it. Use that fear as your energy source; consume it, don’t let it consume you.

Soul, I don’t think you should feel at all bad for walking away from sociology. There are a lot of degrees, like soc. and psych., that a lot more people get them than are needed to work in that field. You and I are among almost certainly millions of such people.

Like lavenderviolet, though, I would encourage you to look at the range of medical professions. In particular, you might find medical social work a good choice, or an intermediate step to a medical career.

As a recent graduate, you probably still have some access to your school’s career services. I’d encourage you to use those to set up informational interviews with a variety of health professionals.

Good luck in whatever path you take!

Earlier this year, I was finding my new counselor (in group therapy) a little odd and idealistic. But he was a nice guy.

A few weeks in, he told a story that really changed my view of him. Apparently he used to be a very successful professional photographer. He was moderately rich and well known. But he also had a drug problem and was in the middle of a divorce, and suddenly realizing that while he like photography, he didn’t want to do it for the rest of his life. He went to therapy for awhile, and it worked for him. And he eventually came to the realization that he wanted to help people too. So he went back to college for his psychology degree in his mid-40s.

And you know what? He really was very good at it, and very happy.

growing up my mum had a friend who ran a neighbourhood pharmacy. his daughter is 5 days older than me and i knew the family well.

he always wanted to be a doctor… but ww2 happened and he became a pharrmacist. he never forgot his dream.

his wife became a pharmacist and was able to work at the pharm. and he went to med school. in his 40’s!

it took longer than most but he became the doctor he always wanted. he and his wife sold the pharmacy. she became a travel agent and he was a doctor.

when his health pushed him out of practice, he went back to his med school and taught.

he passed away a few years ago and left all of us with his story of never giving up. sometimes you go with where the river of life takes you, and you may get turned around a few times, his story told us that you can end up living your dream.

of his 4 children, 2 are doctors, 1 is a therapist, and 1 a teacher. he has a wonderful legacy in them and his passion for medicine and people are reflected in them.

if your dream and passion is medicine keep your eyes on it and hold on to it. you will get there. fear not some med schools like to have students that did not go through pre-med. they want students that are more balanced. keep at it and don’t worry if you take a detour or two. it will work out.

growing up my mum had a friend who ran a neighbourhood pharmacy. his daughter is 5 days older than me and i knew the family well.

he always wanted to be a doctor… but ww2 happened and he became a pharrmacist. he never forgot his dream.

his wife became a pharmacist and was able to work at the pharm. and he went to med school. in his 40’s!

it took longer than most but he became the doctor he always wanted. he and his wife sold the pharmacy. she became a travel agent and he was a doctor.

when his health pushed him out of practice, he went back to his med school and taught.

he passed away a few years ago and left all of us with his story of never giving up. sometimes you go with where the river of life takes you, and you may get turned around a few times, his story told us that you can end up living your dream.

of his 4 children, 2 are doctors, 1 is a therapist, and 1 a teacher. he has a wonderful legacy in them and his passion for medicine and people are reflected in them.

if your dream and passion is medicine keep your eyes on it and hold on to it. you will get there. fear not some med schools like to have students that did not go through pre-med. they want students that are more balanced. keep at it and don’t worry if you take a detour or two. it will work out.

Wow. Good for you, man. It isn’t many people who have the opportunity to really figure out what it is they do want. And I tell you, I don’t think I’d be strong enough to take my dad’s ashes to graduation.

Do consider nursing, however - if only because as a male nurse my understanding is that you’d be able to write your own ticket.

I would strongly encourage you to read through this thread and carefully consider some of the cautions sounded by lavendarviolet and others: I want to be a doctor! - Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share - Straight Dope Message Board

I’m happy to hear that you are committed to pursuing something in life that you feel more passion towards than sociology. However, I would warn you very strongly not to commit to any extensive career path including medicine just because of dissatisfaction with your current path. Explore options, but I wouldn’t promise yourself that you want to become a doctor before you’ve done the volunteering and paid healthcare experiences that you’ll wax poetically about on your AMCAS essay.

It sounds like you have had a very significant set of healthcare related experiences with the loss of your father. Obviously, your family didn’t have an optimal outcome, but how did everything make you feel about medicine? Did your experience with his oncologist or other professionals make you feel that you wanted to play a similar role for other people that have cancer? Not that oncology is the only specialty in medicine, but something to consider and also discuss with schools in the admissions process. I realize this sounds brusque, but experience as a patient or family member of a patient definitely, “counts,” as medical experience when dealing with those clowns over in the admissions office.

Good luck.

Thanks for the kind and thoughtful responses, all. I wish my second post to this thread was as eloquent and well thought out as the things you all have said, but I’m typing it on my phone and it’s a bit of a pain in the ass.

And special thanks to lavendarviolet and threemae for echoing the same questions and concerns that some of my best friends have already voiced. I may have come across a bit dramatically in my OP; I am not now suicidal, and though I used to entertain daydreams, I have never considered it a viable course of actions. It it, at its heart, the single most selfish solution to any situation, and I am too stubborn for that nonsense :wink:

I don’t want to be a doctor because it seems like the glorious, romantic opposite of sociology, nor do I want to do it because I envision myself to be a kinder, gentler House. Through my father’s cancer and my mother’s sixteen years of health problems, I have met and known many doctors, both bad and good. The simple fact is that I know what a good doctor can do – I first saw it when I was eight years old and we thought my mom had just had a stroke (it turned out to be the first episode of Meniere’s disease). He didn’t cure her – nobody can – but he helped her to cope and helped us to understand. As I grew up and realized how much else he must have had on his plate while he sat there with me and told me what was wrong with my mom, I grew to respect him more and more. I still talk to him today, and he’s nothing if not a down to earth, normal guy.

But the bottom line is this: I want to do this for all the same reasons I wanted to do it for for years, and I think those reasons are the right ones, plus one more. The only thing that held me back the first time was me giving up on myself. I wronged myself, and I want to make it right. I know it’ll be hard, frustrating, expensive, and long. And I know that there will be times when I’ll question myself and my decision. But I know that medicine is what I want to do, and (and I’ve done the research – once four years ago and once much more recently) I know that I want to do it as a doctor. When it comes down to it, it’s the inexplicable sum of the intangibles, the good and the bad all weighed against each other, and this – more than anything else – feels right.

Excellent. It sounds as if you’ve given this some considered thought and I wish you the best of luck.