What we wear always sends a message…maybe not how you or I would interpret the message but a message is still sent.
I should add that the same goes for men.
Is it your contention that the message is, “It’s ok to sexually harass me” or “It’s ok to rape me!”? If not, then I don’t see how it’s relevant.
Some guys want to convince themselves that if a woman makes an effort to look pretty and/or reveals more than ankle, she’s sending an “OK to harass” message. If I’m wearing a summer dress, it’s because it’s f-ing summer. Keep your stupid comments to yourself.
Preach.
And the astonishing thing is that several women in this thread (myself included) have explained that we get whistles and comments even when we are totally slumming it. In fact, like I said, it happens to me more when I’m looking a mess in jeans and a tshirt, frizzy haired and makeupless.
So, if some posters here are to be believed: dressing up, doing your makeup, etc = asking for it------- but in practice, a lot of guys seem to think slumming it is asking for it, too. I guess the moral of the story is that we’re just always asking for it.
Hello and welcome to the Dope. I hope you stay. We need more of this and less of that other thing.
yeah..uhhhh,.just a tad over the top…not sure where you read…“its okay to rape me”..I dare say no one has inferred that at any level…remember we talking about whistling…but then rude comments followed the whistling and now rape..really?
My contention is that how we dress sends a message…you have no control how its perceived, I would say the vast majority of guys seeing a woman in a sundress just see a woman in a sundress…but in this thread we are not talking about the vast majority are we?
This was pretty good. Seeing those staring eyes and the comments directed at the woman does seem rather intimidating. Thanks for sharing.
The odd reason is that Quasi has dementia and deteriorated mental function.
I am not saying this as an insult, it is a fact he has freely shared.
Sometimes he tries to be “humorous” with incredibly inappropriate results. However I genuinely beleive he is not intentionally offensive.
Thanks for watching. As documentaries go it isn’t all that good, but I do think it could be an eye opener. Men miss out on that (for reasons discussed in this thread) and you can only really see it when it’s done like that, with a hidden camera.
Let’s talk about messages, shall we? Let’s start with what message you think whistling conveys.
Holy, fuck! Is that what it’s like??? Is the average American woman also putting up with that level of constant abuse and attention?? I had not IDEA what my weight and age was protecting me from, I guess!
I have been in grimy clubs that are basically a mecca for overt sexual comments and gestures and still haven’t endured that level of harassment. That just seemed relentless.
uhhhh, I think we are on page 6 of that question
I’m asking you what message you think whistling conveys. It’s not a hard question, so I imagine a concise answer isn’t much to ask for.
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I’m asking you what message you think whistling conveys. It’s not a hard question, so I imagine a concise answer isn’t much to ask for.[/QUOTE
from a creepy stranger(male or female) on the corner, could mean many things, none of which will make you feel good… from your husband, you look good, from an intimate group of male friends, recognition of being dolled up. In which context do you mean.
From a stranger, of course, as that’s what the vast majority of this thread has been about. When you see a man whistle at a woman (completely a stranger to him) on the street, what message do you think he’s conveying with that whistle? Or trying to convey?
current trend, sexual objectification, usually but not always
And it’s your contention that the woman is welcoming this message, since it is in line with the message she is putting into the world with your hypothetical sundress, yes?
My contention is that how we dress sends a message…you have no control how its perceived, I would say the vast majority of guys seeing a woman in a sundress just see a woman in a sundress…but in this thread we are not talking about the vast majority are we?
oh.there I go repeating myself…
And exactly what would you propose a woman should do if she doesn’t wish to “send a message” that she welcomes “objectification”? (Hint: It’s not wearing different clothes. Women wearing all kinds of clothes get hassled all the damn time.)