Whiteness and Capitalism Go Hand In Hand

In other words - made a pointless sidetrack and didn’t address the actual point.

Defensiveness , Denial , Diversion , and Fragility. I’ve hit the full Whiteness quadrifecta, it seems.

Whiteness loves numbers because they let you talk about inequality without talking about people. I’m doing the opposite. Numbers aren’t racist. Dismissing people until they’re reduced to numbers is. Silly me for trying to sink to that level.

Look at how all the rest of my quite substantial first post has been blithely ignored while y’all played Calculon.

So that’s what you’re arguing about? Holy shit. Like "we believe you but we’re going to nitpick that math? Really?

Well, this is going well.

Yeah, I do think whiteness and capitalism go hand in hand, certainly in this country. A great deal of our nation’s wealth was built off the backs of people of color, and people of color have been systemically left out of profiting from the system disproportionately to white people. No, I don’t think everything is about economics and not race. There’s a lot of class stratification and there’s a lot of racism, the latter of which results in greater class stratification for people of color. “The problem is really capitalism” sounds a lot to me like “I don’t see color.” Capitalism creates problems for everyone** but it creates disproportionately more problems for people of color.

**Well, most everyone! Obviously some small number benefit greatly

Well, no, that’s what someone originally pointed out which got Dribble’s panties in such a twist that he accused them of being Bezos bootlicking white supremacists. What I am doing is laughing at Dribble’s hysterical and overly racialized overreaction. I mean, look at the title he requested this thread to have; I’ve never seen someone higher on their own farts.

Do crow some more about how ad hominems are a distraction from losing arguments, Babs. It is very entertaining.

Literally just paraphrasing my first post.

My alternative suggestion about White Fragility is also very much still appropriate, though.

What kind of fragility is it when someone points out that your listed stats don’t display what you claim they display without additional context and rather than simply providing that context you have a meltdown about how everyone else is a racist? If there’s no name for it yet, maybe they can call it Dribble Fragility.

When you realize that 24/7, Dribble is looking for a fight, it makes total sense.

How would you know, you supposedly have me on ignore…

But still apparently follow me enough to push the Angry Black Man narrative, I see.

“Additional context” that apparently - according to you - we all already had but that seemingly doesn’t count when the person assuming the context is talking about Whiteness…

Asking for context wasn’t the White fragility. Refusing to accept the context once it’s given, while insisting the problem is still “the stats,” is textbook defensive derailment. Right out of the Whiteness Playbook, even.

If the goal were understanding, we wouldn’t still be arguing about arithmetic instead of Whiteness.

Aaah, who am I kidding - you’d still be arguing. You don’t think Whiteness is real. Plus the personal animus, of course.

Caw! Caw!

Looks to me like another season of the MrDibble, Fran, and Babale show. Think I’ll pass.

See, and i felt there’s this really big excluded group of Amazon employees, who are neither management nor physical labourers. Amazon hires a ton of programmers, including a few people i square dance with, so that’s the jobs I’m most familiar with. They are a shitty employer for programmers, being generally a shitty place to work. But those employees aren’t injured at anything like the rate of their drivers, nor their warehouse workers Having seen no stats, I’ll just say I’d guess that Black people are underrepresented in thr programming jobs, too. (Although there are certainly Asian Americans there.)

Fyi, Amazon has high worker’s comp injury rates compared to other companies with people doing similar work.

From @hajario’s link.
Programmers are Corporate. Yes, the Asian-American representation there is very high.

Workforce Avg. Field & Customer Support Corporate Employees People Managers Senior Leaders
Male 55.2% 51.7% 67.2% 69.2% 76.9%
Female 44.8% 48.3% 32.8% 30.8% 23.1%
White 30.2% 26.7% 44.6% 53.1% 66.4%
Black 28.2% 32.7% 8.5% 12% 5.5%
LatinX 23.6% 27.2% 8.7% 10.9% 4.5%
Asian 13.2% 8.2% 34.4% 19.9% 21.5%
Multiracial 3.3% 3.3% 3.2% 3.3% 1.8%
Native American 1.5% 1.7% 0.6% 0.7% 0.2%

That table is really helpful; thank you.

So, I thought this was worth pointing out - earlier I said (my emphasis)

While both warehouse workers and programmers are very much exploitable drones to Amazon, it’s interesting that there’s a differentiation happening there along racial lines.