Whither Scotland?

Such elections only produce 70-30 results when one candidate’s secret police are torturing the other candidate’s voters, or (more commonly) the votes aren’t being counted at all. You also get them where the electorate is very small; your reference to “that population” is backwards. By way of comparison, the largest landslide ever in a UK general election was a 12.5% victory.

Salmond resigns.

Pjen you have been uncharatistically subdued today. :wink:

I was up all night and have been sleeping most of the day. I have started an aftermath thread. I am well pleased by the vote so long as The Vow is kept. If it is reneged upon, all bets will be off. Salmon is suggesting strongly that there will be continued pressure from Scottish peel for resolution of their constitutional position.

The people of Scotland have voted to remain part of the UK. There’s no further constitutional position to deal with. The real constitutional issue is how much longer Scotland will be allowed to continue deciding things for the rest of the UK, that the UK can’t decide for Scotland. Hopefully any further devolution will also reduce the amount of Scottish MPs voting on non-Scottish issues at Westminster. Being fond of the UK’s constitutional style, I’d rather that was done voluntarily rather than by mandate.

Once again you are out with the beliefs of most experts on the subject. Few people are speaking against the Barnett formula or devo max. Most of that will occur and in some way Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs will have their control of English affairs limited.

Neither the Barnett formula or devo max are constitutional issues, they’re legislative ones. Theoretically, a future UK government could simply repeal the Scotland Act (they won’t though) and there’d be no more Scottish Parliament. I’ve not seen any attempt to change the legislative basis of devolution

You are a literalist. Parliament could decide that all of Scotland could be denied a vote for any representatives.

There are certain pragmatic matters that you never address. Should anything extreme be proposed there are several possible avenues of dissent, legal or social. Given that The Vow included a guarantee that the Scottish Parliament was permanent, and other presumed guarantees, it would be potentially catastrophic to the union to disband Scotland’s parliament. It could be done, but the outcome might not be what was desired or intended.

The problem with formalism an legalism is that they often fail when faced with reality.

I get the feeling that the areas on the map that voted YES (Glasgow and Dundee) also rank highest in sales of Buckfast Tonic Wine. Looks like some people will now have to find something else to do with their time, besides watch mentally-unstable Tommy Sheridan speeches all day with their trackie bottoms down around their ankles.

What your rather insulting post misses is the paradox that Labour areas were more likely to be biased towards independence while the SNP areas tended to be more unionist.

Maybe (some) YES voters and Labour voters are both easily swayed by promises of higher welfare (I mean “giro”) checks?

“Biased”? You’re a bit of a sore loser, aren’t you?

Maybe your generalisations say more about you than about the people concerned.

Not at all. My original desire was for Devo max. I am merely pointing out that areas voted counter to their normal political affiliations in both YES and NO.

My understanding is that 29 out of 32 council areas voted No.

YES. AND…

The point is that the Labour strongholds voted disproportionately against their party’s views as did the SNP strongholds.

I don’t rate Johann Lamont (leader of the Scottish Labour Party) much but this is quite a statement:

That ought to answer any lingering doubts as to whether it was a “thumping” or not. The reality is that this was a win for the “No” side by a significant margin and was a surprise considering that for weeks the polls had been too close to call.

Funnily enough, we had someone in one of the other threads on this topic argue that “No” voters were likely to be swayed by more a generous welfare system.

Welfare for everyone!