Who Are The People In Your Neighborhood (Hospital)?

As promisedin this thread, I’ve made a list of people a patient may run into in the hospital. Edits/changes/additions welcome. This is very first-drafty.

Nurses:
Triage Nurse: The triage nurse is trained to quickly assess you and figure out how quickly you need medical attention. She decides what order patients are seen when they don’t have appointments, based on the severity or instability of their condition.

Floor Nurse: A nurse who works primarily in one area of the hospital, such as the Surgical Floor, Pediatrics or Oncology. This is “Your Nurse”. They may be referred to by their specialty, as in, “Pediatric Nurse”, or they may not have a specialty. They provide direct ongoing patient care over many hours. Most have 5-6 patients at a time, some as many as a dozen in very busy hospitals. This is the person to ask for your medications. If you are placed on Fall Restrictions, your nurse will need to be present whenever you get out of bed, or he needs to delegate that responsibility to an appropriate person.

ER Nurses, ICU Nurses and Critical Care Nurses: These nurses specialize in the most unstable patients with a wide variety of severe medical issues.

Charge Nurse: The charge nurse is in charge of the unit for the shift. She is responsible for assigning patients to each nurse based on their training, their experience and the condition and needs of each patient. Her job is to make sure that staffing levels are safe and appropriate, and to assist with patient care as needed when her floor nurses need help. She very often has patients of her own to take care of as well. Think of her as the manager on duty.

Do NOT complain to your doctor about your nurse (in a hospital setting). The doctor is not the boss of the nurse. The chain of command doesn’t go that way. If you have a complaint about a nurse, take it to the Charge Nurse.

Nurse Supervisor/Director of Nursing: This may be one position or two. These are administrators of the nursing staff. If your charge nurse doesn’t satisfy you, ask for the Nurse Supervisor or Director of Nursing.

Advanced Practice Nurse: An Advance Practice Nurse has completed at least a minimum of a Master’s Degree after receiving their Registered Nurse license. They serve internships after their graduate courses much like doctors do, and in many states may work as medical care providers in many of the roles formerly reserved for Medical Doctors.

Doctors:
Students: Medical students are people who are still in medical school. If you’re at a teaching hospital, they may follow doctors around like ducklings and huddle in a circle to talk, but they’re probably not going to have much interaction with the patients.

Interns: Interns have completed Medical School and have their medical degree and their license, but they may not practice medicine independently yet. Internship is usually the first year after graduating medical school. They may ask you a lot of questions, and may tell you their plan for treatment, but they’re just practicing. *Everything *they do must be discussed with and approved by a Resident or Attending Physician first. This is why you hear a lot of “we’re going to have them do an x-ray…” and then the x-ray never happens. The Intern thought an x-ray would be a good idea and told you that, but his Attending said no, it wasn’t necessary. (Then no one remembered to tell you that the plan - which was never really a plan, only an idea - was changed.)

Residents: Residents are recent graduates up to 7 years out of medical school, depending on the specialty. Sometimes they call them Residents in their first year, instead of Interns. They are a little more independent, but they still need the approval of the Attending. They can usually order the x-ray without asking, but they’d better actually need it and be prepared to defend why they need it, or the Attending will be upset.

Attendings: Attending are full fledged independently practicing doctors. In teaching hospitals, they are also teachers. These are the “doctors in charge” and if you have a problem with an Intern or Resident, the proper person to speak to about it is the Attending. (Not the nurse. Just like doctors aren’t the boss of nurses, nurses aren’t the boss of doctors. We have our own separate chains-of-command.)

Therapists:
Respiratory: Respiratory therapists will administer inhaled medications, like nebulizers. They will set up, monitor and change the settings on ventilators, CPAPS, BIPAPS and other machines that help people breathe. They analyze complicated information about a person’s breathing that helps them decide when and how to make changes to the breathing assistance a person is receiving. (In other words, don’t try to convince your nurse to turn off the ventilator because you feel like you can breathe on your own – convince the Respiratory Therapist.)

Physical: Physical Therapists perform and teach exercises to stregthen, improve balance and flexibility and prevent worsening of conditions which affect the large parts of your body - backs, arms, legs, shoulders, knees. They can figure out which assistive devices (canes, walkers, scooters, etc.) would be best for a person and teach them how to safely use them.

Occupational: Occupational Therapists perform and teach exercises to strengthen, improve flexibility and dexterity mostly of small muscle groups, especially hands. They also have adaptive devices to make the Activities of Daily Living (eating, bathing, toileting, dressing) easier and safer. They can show you a new way to tie your tie that won’t give your arthritis fits, or give you a sock puller upper. They have weighted spoons for people with grasping difficulties and reacher bars for those in wheelchairs. They have all the cool toys.

Speech: Speech Therapists work with speech and with swallowing. After a stroke or accident, the speech therapist may give you a “swallow test” before your doctor will let you eat or take pills. They also work with people who have lost their speech or who have trouble with speaking.

Technicians:
Radiology:
Radiology technicians take x-rays, CT scans, ultrasounds and other imaging tests. Sometimes they come to your room, sometimes you go to them. The person doing the test is usually not “The Doctor” who interprets it. If you ask them how it looks, they probably won’t tell you. You have to wait for the doctor’s report.

Pharmacy/Surgical/GI Lab: Many departments have Technicians who help the Licensed professionals in their area. These are not nurses or doctors, but people who have experience in assisting doctors and nurses.

Phlebotomist: A person who draws blood for lab tests. Some hospitals have a dedicated phlebotomy team to draw blood for everyone. Others have the nurses draw blood for most patients, and only call Phlebotomy if they can’t get enough blood for the tests they need.

Other Providers and Support Staff:
Certified Nursing Assistant/
Patient Care Technician:
These people go by a variety of titles and have a variety of educational backgrounds. The hospital and the Floor Nurse will determine exactly what they are allowed to do. They do things like give bed baths, help you get dressed, take vital signs and blood sugars, and help you eat. Some of them can temporarily stop your IV and let you go to the bathroom without the pole (but they can’t always do that). They can usually get you extra pillows and blankets and ice or water if you’re allowed those things.

Pharmacist: Pharmacists help the physicians and nurses choose safe and appropriate medications and the way in which they’re administered. They often make medications in the hospital, especially in Pediatrics and NICU, where the medications available from the manufacturer are often too strong or in the wrong kind of dose (like big pills) for little kiddos. Some hospitals are having pharmacists visit patients and answer questions and teach patients about their high-risk medications.

Clergy/Chaplain: The Chaplain is available for spiritual counseling and will pray with you and your family if you like, or make reasonable and safe accommodations with the nursing staff to allow you and your family to pray as you need – bringing in prayer rugs and closing the door, for instance. Chaplains come from many religions - Christians, Jews, Muslims, Pagans. There are even some Atheist Chaplains. Their religion is not of interest, and it’s not good manners to ask them “what they are”. They should have interdenominational, interfaith training and be willing to work with you no matter what religion you are. If you are of a specific religion or spiritual path and would like to talk to someone of your faith, ask the Chaplain if they have a list of volunteers that can be checked to see if there’s one who meets your needs. Sometimes they can call someone in.

Social Worker: Medical social workers know about community resources for things like money assistance, living arrangements, discount bus and train fares, shelters, food pantries and day cares (adult or child). They will often come visit you near the end of your stay to discuss what can be done to help you out when you leave. If you think you might need the help of a nurse or therapist at home, please tell your Social Worker! The order for home nursing has to come from the doctor, but social workers are often the only ones in the hospital that know much about home health care, and they can help to arrange it.

Case Manager: The case manager may be a Medical Social Worker or a Registered Nurse. He is responsible for coordinating all of the services. He’s responsible for making sure that at least one person knows what your nurses and therapists and doctors are all doing, and ensuring that it all agrees with your Plan of Care. You will probably never meet this person.

**Discharge Planner: **The discharge planner may be a Medical Social Worker or a Registered Nurse. It may be the same person as your Case Manager. Your discharge planner’s job is to make sure that before you leave, you know what medications to take when you get home, that you’ve gotten education on important things like when to call or see your doctor, you’ve been told of any diet or activity restrictions and anything else you should know. If you need rehab, the Discharge Planner will find a rehab facility for you. If you need home health care, they will send a referral to a home health care agency for you. If you want a specific home health care, or if you already have home health care, make sure someone tells your Discharge Planner, so they can call your own home health company to tell them you’re going home and send them a report.

Dietician: The Dietician is responsible for your meals meeting the requirements your doctor has ordered.

Food Service Staff: These are the people who bring you your meals and take away your used meal trays. They do not usually have the power to change the prepared meal that the Dietician authorized and the Doctor ordered.

Porters/Transport: These are people who help those in wheelchairs and confined to beds get from one part of the hospital to another. They are responsible for handing you over to a nurse or technician at the other end of your trip.

Housekeeping: These are the people responsible for cleaning patient rooms daily and then for sanitizing them thoroughly between patients.

Security: Responsible for keeping the hospital safe by diffusing tense situations and removing aggressive people.

Ethicist: The hospital Ethicist is called in to consult on cases where ethics may come into play. End of life decisions, risky or experimental surgeries and cases where doctors or patients may disagree about the correct course of action might call for a consultation with the Ethicist. Usually this is a medical doctor, but not always.

Patient Advocate: The Patient Advocate is who you talk to when you’re seriously concerned about your treatment at the hospital, and your attempts to work things out with the nurses and doctors have failed. They are trained to diffuse tensions and reopen lines of communication and to remind everyone what the law says about things like patient rights.

Do NOT complain to your doctor about your nurse (in a hospital setting). The doctor is not the boss of the nurse. The chain of command doesn’t go that way. If you have a complaint about a nurse, take it to the Charge Nurse.”

The italicized part sounds very snotty. At the end of the nurses part add a line that says “If you have a complaint about a nurse, discuss it with the Charge Nurse, if you have a complaint about the Charge Nurse discuss it with ______ or call 312-555-4122 and file a complaint after your stay” or something like, but I would leave out the rest. At least that’s MHO.

I would also take out the part where the Resident can order an X-ray but the attending might get upset. Again, IMHO, that’s too much for a person staying in a hospital and it sounds like there’s some drama in there.

I like the idea of this, but if this is something that’s meant for patients, each thing should be a sentence or two. Basically, so when someone comes in the room and their badge says “resident” I know if they’re a nurse or a doctor.

Also, you might add hospitalist (ETA is that a case manager?) as they seem to be getting more popular and I’ve suggested to friends with elderly parents they they talk to them even though I’m not 100% sure what they do, but I have a general idea.

Another thing, as I glance at it (and I haven’t read the whole thing yet), if you’re going to tell the patient who to complain to about nursing staff they have an issue with, you should also tell them who to complain to about doctors.

Thanks for the feedback. I’m not sure yet who the intended audience will end up to be, I just wanted to get started on the list as a writing exercise, and since someone in another thread said they’d be willing to read it, I wrote it in message board speak. :smiley:

It definitely needs some altering if I do end up giving it to patients, I agree. If that happens, it has to stay rather general, though, because my patients go to over 2 dozen different hospitals. If hospitals have their own materials, that’s even better, but judging from people’s confusion, they largely don’t, or they’re not very good. I began with a google search to see what’s available online, and didn’t find much. Those few I found were mostly for pediatric hospitals.

Thanks WhyNot!
This is absolutely terrifying, by the way.

I seem to have confused “floor nurse” and “charge nurse” in my head, and that I fail to distinguish CNAs from RNs/LPNs in person.

Is it kosher to ask to speak with the Case Manager? It seems like no one in the system bothers to share the Plan of Care with the actual patient.

Water-IME, the doctors tend to be in the loop, so they can usually answer those questions.

You should indicate how to contact the patient advocate/ombudsman. My parents’ hospital has an ombudsman’s office, but every time I tried to contact them because of sometimes horrendous care, their office was always closed, because, of course, my parents were only ever in the ER on weekends and evenings and the ombudsman’s office was always only open 8 to 5.

I almost got arrested one time because the nurse in the ER would not let me in to see my father because “only one person in a room at one time” whereas all of the other patients in all of the other rooms around us had five to ten people, including babies and screeching toddlers.

One thing you are missing, Pharmacy (or Pharmacist) Intern. Students who are in pharmacy school, learning about being a pharmacist. When I was a pharmacy intern at a hospital, I did various patient interaction activities. Such as, was part of a med team at a teaching hospital (1 attending, 3 or 4 residents, 2 medical interns, and 3 or 4 med students), so I was part of those round table discussions around the patients bed. In another rotation I also did all the patient medication education on discharge, especially warfarin teachings. I also shadowed a couple doctors during their rounds so I could see what they did.

I did a lot more behind the scene, but that is mostly when I had a patient interaction in the hospital. I always introduced myself when I came in alone (mostly when doing patient education), as “Hi, I’m Hirka T’Bawa, I’m from the pharmacy to teach you about your medication”.

WhyNot, you do in home care correct? I would second this. Make sure you have a number to your states ombudsman program. When I was in pharmacy school, as part of our required community service, I volunteered with the Georgia Ombudsman program. We were assigned to inspect nursing homes and assisted living facilities. We mainly had to make sure the staff were taking care of the patients, and weren’t neglecting or abusing them. Since I’ve graduated, I’ve heard from some family members concerns they had with their love ones, and have referee them to make a complaint with their local ombudsmen.

If you are making a list for your home health patients, they might someday end up in a nursing home. Make sure they are aware of who they can contact outside the facility if they have concerns about their care. If they have heard of it before they enter, they will be more willing to call after they enter.

WhyNot – Generally a good list for reference.

But…could the job duties of a CNA differ based on the state?

I was a CNA in Florida in the late 80s – and your description was spot-on for what I did. (My job was in an ER, and I was training to be an LPN, so I did some additional items as well, but generally there was a lot of lifting, moving, feeding, and ice-water-getting.)

But the last time I was in the ER near Boston (asthma attack), a CNA did a number of tests on me, including an EKG and one of the best blood draws I’ve had. I know it was a CNA because I did a double-take at his ID badge.

Hence my confusion.

A few years ago I took my daughter to the ER for something minor. I was treated in a way I wasn’t too satisfied with. Later on, I mentioned it to someone that works for the same group. He told me that when I get my bill I should call the number on it and complain and they’ll A)automatically knock off 10% without blinking* and B)should offer to let me lodge a formal complaint. According to him, and he did work for the same group, they do take complaints very seriously and follow up on all of them. It’s probably wise of them, in my area, there’s two MAJOR medical groups. Unless I was about to bleed out, I probably wouldn’t go back to that ER if I didn’t have to.
*I don’t know if that’s true or not, it’s just what he mentioned, but it sounded like he had done it a handful of times.

Waaaay too much detail for me.

To me it’s:

personal de enfermería (nurses of different kinds, let them sort which kind).
celadores (personnel who move medical equipment and gurneys around)
médicos (people with degrees in medicine), of which I may at most want to know the specialty. Again, let them sort the pecking order themselves out of my sight.
estudiantes de medicina o enfermería (students, always seen in the company of someone with an actual degree)
personal técnico y administrativo (support, from lab techs to electricians to the administrative manager)

Why should patients be able to distinguish any further?

or it could be 6 different people in a large hospital. Also, don’t forget the head nurse on each floor.

In all of the places I’ve worked the chain of command is, Nurse to Charge Nurse to Head Nurse to Nursing Supervisor to Director of Nursing to Patient Advocate/Ombudsman*
*Not all hospitals have this position. In some places a social worker takes the role.

Patients certainly don’t have to distinguish anyone from another. This is not a primer on how to be a patient, it is for those who desire more detail. There are folks, both family and patients, who want the detail. I imagine that this would hold true, even in Spain.

Never met anybody who did, specially when it refers to the medical groups; it’s not information you need in order to get to where you have to be, or to get the services needed. Knowing for example that a doctor is the head of his department tells you that getting a second opinion to override his is going to be difficult, but this is administrative information - it doesn’t tell you he’s the best doctor or the one with more training in the specialty, only that he’s the one with most clout.

I’m not sure if this is confusion of terminology, but a hospitalist is a physician who is only taking care of inpatient patients. It’s a relatively newer specialty, but it’s been growing in popularity. Outpatient doctors who do primary care will work with hospitalist services that will manage their patients while they are admitted. After discharge, the patient will then follow up again with the primary care doctor. Many primary care docs will still see their patients in the inpatient, even if they are working with an inpatient service, so they aren’t mutually exclusive. Specialty services will use hospitalist groups for similar reasons. Hospitalist groups will also often be the primary caregiver on patients who are being admitted to the hospital and don’t have an outside primary care provider who will be managing them.
That was probably more confusing than it really is, but I hope that clarifies somewhat.

Well, I get why we were left out, because no one ever really remembers us, but Perioperative (OR) nurses exist, too. Our job is to keep you warm, safe, and uninjured during a surgery. You might think this is the surgeon’s job. You would be wrong. In my OR, procedures happen when I say, and not before, and that’s when all the proper equipment and personnel are available and properly briefed. Also, I make sure the surgeon doesn’t leave anything inside you that shouldn’t be there, and that s/he doesn’t operate on a part of you he didn’t mean to. If you’ve ever had a surgery, even if you didn’t know it (and you almost certainly didn’t), you had a Perioperative nurse watching over you.

*Oh, the doctor wears a long white coat,
He’ll shine a penlight down your throat.
So, if your tonsils feel real sore,
It’s the doctor you’ll be looking for.

'Cos the doctor is a person in your neighborhood,
in your neighborhood, in your neighborhood
the doctor is a person in your neighborhood
A person that you meet each day.

A nurse has got a long glass tube.
She sticks it in your butt with lube.
So, if your fever really spikes
The nurse’ll give you what you likes!

'Cos the nurse is a person in your neighborhood,
in your neighborhood, in your neighborhood.
And the doctor is a person in your neighborhood.
They’re the people that you meet, when you’re walking down the street
The people that you meet each day!*

May be a bit nit-picky, but I would substitute ‘he or she’ for ‘she’ when speaking of the nurses.
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To this, you can also add ‘Intensivist’, which is a doctor that specializes in the care of patients in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU). ICU care has gotten so specialized that many attendings and PCPs have no idea how to manage it.

I would also suggest adding ‘Nurse Educator’ to the nursing list. There are subspecialties of this such as Certified Diabetes Educator (CDE) and Wound Care Specialist. They’re an important part of the care team, too.

Definitely kosher to ask. Expect it to take several hours before s/he has the time to come chat with you. You can also ask your own nurse, depending on the way the computers are set up, she may have access to the entire Plan of Care, or she may only have access to the nursing/meds/labs part.

I’m sorry you had to deal with that. I’m not sure how to contact the Patient Advocate when they’re not there, but I will ask some of my hospital nurse friends and see what I can find out for you. When I’ve needed one myself (as family, not as a nurse), I’ve simply gone back during their office hours and talked to them then. Luckily, the actual emergency had passed by then, but we still needed to have a strongly worded chat about some errors that had occurred and how to prevent that from ever happening to another patient again. We weren’t interested in suing or getting anyone in trouble, we wanted that poor nurse to get retrained on something she did that could have ended up much worse. (And now that the nurses in the crowd are curious: a new ICU nurse ran Esmolol too fast (1mg/kg/hr!) and through a 24 gauge (way too small) in the back of the hand (wrong site for that drug; it should only go through AC or PICC lines), and then ignored the patient’s complaint that it hurt and was swelling. An hour later I came in to visit and his hand looked like Mickey Mouse’s. It caused extravasation with nerve damage and tissue loss and localized necrosis. Thankfully only localized!)

Thank you! I will add that

Great ideas! Thank you!

They can, and they can also vary depending on the person. I’ve worked with CNAs who have been in the same ER for years and who have received a lot of on the job training and earned the trust of the staff. If the staff trusts them enough, they may begin to delegate more tests and procedures to that particular CNA. Doesn’t mean they can all do it, it means that this one can do it. Running an EKG and doing blood draws don’t require a nursing license, so I’m not surprised an experienced CNA in the ER was doing that.

Yes, thank you! I’m sorry I left you out. If it’s any condolence, most lists of nurses leave us (home nurses) off, too. :wink:

More excellent ideas! Thank you!