Who Decided that the Dead Must be buried in dirt?

Who in the Christian religion decided that burials must be in the ground?

I thought about this as I watched a piece on a New Orleans cemetery, which has above ground tombs because of the high water table. The place looked like a real mess with all of these assorted tombs ranging from new to crumbling wrecks. Then I thought of other cemeteries with below ground burials and monuments that were crowded, often resembling something out of a horror show and the newer type where they only allow a flat plaque.

Through this, I loosely associated about all of the billions of bodies poked in the dirt taking up millions of acres of ground, stories of grave yards flooding out and the rotting caskets popping up to drift across the street, the Orthodox (?) Jewish belief that the entire intact body must be buried unembalmed and with no autopsy and the expensive racket of funeral homes.

The American Indian ‘buried’ their dead above ground. Several peoples of old cremated them, left them to the wolves or dumped them in a Holy River.

I understand that this might possibly come from the Biblical statement that, at the end of days, the Dead shall rise and believers ascend into heaven, though those billions of bodies lost for various reasons over the years through war or accident are thought to be included also.

Then I figured it was based on the resurrection of Jesus, but the Jews would not have anything to do with that.

Now, perhaps some smart people discovered diseases and stench, as well as dangerous animals being drawn to rotting bodies above ground and worked burial into religion for safety reasons. Like, I read once where the sacredness of cattle in India came about in a time of great famine, to protect a future food source for survivors. That way people could use the milk produced, plus gather the nutrient rich droppings for fuel and fertilizer and have a lasting supply of beef instead of slaughtering the animals and having nothing.

Cremation, to me, over the years, has begun to seem much nicer. Simple, clean, quick and cheap. No being placed into an over priced casket, lowered into a cement lined hole, sealed in place, where one slowly rots over the years and the grave eventually fills with water and one turns into a disgusting organic soup to filter away into the water table.

Cremation takes up less space. Burnt to a nice crispy powder, the chunks ground up, everything placed in a container the size of a quart mason jar and either dumped into a hole in the ground the size of a water pipe or kept on a respected mantle, in a small niche in a tomb or scattered across the lands.

In some places, the ashes of the dead have been used for fertilizer. Imagine, being a pain in the butt all ones life and then helping to produce delicious tomatoes and peppers.

So, who decided that bodies must be buried for religious reasons? Think about how many hundreds of thousands of square miles are taken up by grave yards sectioned off into 3x6x6 foot plots. Kind of like human land fill sites. I watched a program in which a woman decided to give unwanted, dead children a burial place so she and her husband bought 4 acres of land and opened it to the country. It filled up so fast that they’ve bought another 4.

Very nice sentiment, but it’s going to grow and that’s 8 acres already consigned to no further use. They showed a shot of the place, with little crosses with nice little name plates spaced in neat rows about 3 to 4 feet apart. With cremation, they could put 3 times as many in the same area.

So many believe that the body must be buried reasonably whole and I just wondered why.

I think that, at least in the case of Christianity, it’s for practical rather than doctrinal reasons. After all, what else are you going to do with a body which, frankly, is going to start to smell bad after a few days.

Burial at sea has been acceptable for a very long time, IIRC there’s an account of it from either Homer or Virgil (or both).

Cremation has its merits, but you need a very high temperature to destroy a body properly and even then, the bones won’t be totally destroyed. I believe they “tumble” the bodies with weights in modern crematoria to break up the bones.

I’ve never heard of American Indian burials being above ground before. I can imagine that this was viable in some parts of N. America, but presumably not in the colder, wetter climates?

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People were buried underground in various cultures and locations long before Christianity. I would imagine that early Christians were already accustomed to burial and simply continued that tradition.

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I only saw this in movies and it was always the Plains Indians. Other tribes may have different traditions. In South America they’ve found mummified human remains. So they didn’t all leave tehm above ground.

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But people were being buried long before this would have been an issue. Neaderthals buried their dead with artifacts such as tools and weapons.

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Well we seem to have plenty of land left over here in the states. I’m not so worried about it. If we ever do need that land it isn’t like we can’t move the corpses. In fact in some countries low on land you only occupy your grave for a few years. Then you’re removed and someone else is put in that place.

We do a lot of things just because that’s the way it has always been done. My family actually has a private graveyard with family members dating back to the 1860’s here in Texas. There’s still plenty of room.

Marc

The first guy to acquire a sense of smell. :stuck_out_tongue:

They considered styrofoam packing peanuts, but they aren’t biodegradable, and they hadn’t been invented when They wrote the Rules.

MGibson wrote:

I don’t think that’s entirely correct.

I recall seeing an educational program a few months back about the early Christian communities in the Roman Empire. The narrator said that the custom in Rome had been to cremate the dead. However, early Christians believed that their bodies would literally, physically, be resurrected at the second coming of Christ. Therefore, they chose to bury or entomb their dead. (Hence the catacombs of Rome, which is where the Christians of Rome kept their dead. I believe this was done in secret, owing to fear of persecution.)

Now, it may well be that Jewish tradition called for burial, or entombment, but for Christians in Rome at least, this practice was a break with earlier traditions.

Actually, the dead rising from the earth when the Messiah finally arrives is from the Old Testament, where it says (and I’m paraphrasing here) that the Messiah will walk towards Jerusalem from the Mount of Olives and the dead there will be the first to rise and join ha-olam ha-ba (the World to Come, aka The Kingdom of God), which is why many Jews are buried with a small satchel of dirt from the Mount of Olives placed beneath their heads.

Bodies have been disposed of three ways throughout history, it’s not because of christianity

One: entombment. Tombs usualyy located away from the centers of activity because rotting bodies stink.

Two: burial. These you can have in the middle of a village or whatever, under a sizable pile of dirt, rocks, sand or whatnot or in a hole - because rotting bodies stink and all that crap on top keeps the smell in.

Three: fire. Not as popular long ago as it is now. You need a really frickin hot fire to totally get rid of people, and burnt/burninging bodies smell just as bad as rotting ones. *note the Thane Kings and such had a good idea to fix that, since they couldn’t get a fire big enough to totally cremate the body, they’d set it on a raft and it was ‘anchors away’. Whatever didn’t burn sunk.

Burial was a pretty environmentally sound idea until some idiotic casket maker decided to make them so well that they now offer a 75-year warranty against rotting.

I mean, putting us into a biodegradable sack or box and burying us in dirt meant that in 20 years or so we were fertilizer. And I kind of like that idea. Beats the heck out of taking up space for 200 years with my freakin’ satin lined steel casket.

Humans are soooo self-absorbed.

This is kind of a wierd tangent, but I watch a little too much TLC, and they have a lot of shows about unsolved crimes, and sometimes they get a suprising forensic evidence by exhuming buried bodies.

Possibly this is an extremely rare occurence, really, blown out of proportion because TLC likes protraying sensational crimes and gross corpses and stuff. But still, if you are murderd and then cremated (as I plan to be)(as in, I plan to be cremated, not murdered), your murder might never be solved.

blessedwolf wrote:

It’s in the New Testiment too, at John 5:28-29, where Jesus told his followers: “Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

The Jews may have practiced burial before, but it was the Christians who spread the practice through the Roman Empire (at least according to that educational program I mentioned in my earlier post).

Oh yeah, and speaking of those airtight modern caskets, I have read that bodies in those things actually decompose faster than a body in a pine box, owing to the actions of anaerobic bacteria. Anyone know if this is so?

Also, Cecil did a column on exhumations here.

See, that’s why cutting boards should be made of wood! It’s natural bacteria bane!

Actually, I think we should burn dead bodies for fuel. We’re carbon based, after all. Anyone with me on this?

Buried in dirt?! How common and gauche. When I die, I want a huge pyramid built over my coffin, with secret passages, booby traps, and gold and diamonds in hidden rooms protected by combination locks. My organs shall be removed and preserved in jars next to my coffin for the occasional late midnight snack. The walls should be covered with frescoes relating my life story in elogious terms. Next to my pyramid I want a huge granite sculpture of a half-rooster, half-tiger, half-shark creature with a long beard and an enigmatic smile. Finally, I want a copy of all Straight Dope books included in the coffin.

half, plus half, plus… HALF? I’d rather have the Crocagator as a giant statue at my pyramid… The MEANEST animal on the planet…

I thought it was from dust you came and to dust you shall return.

I can testify that bodies must be burned for a long time under intense heat. I think my dad told me that in the crematorium, there’s a bone crusher…I’ll ask him!

Pfffft! Mummification is for losers. How long are you gonna last that way? Maybe 10,000 years before some goat-herder stumbles onto a side entrance, steals all the goodies and leaves you to crumble into dust?

You want permanence, fossilization is the way to go. Lay me down in a bed of damp, very fine silt, and let nature take its course. 50 Million years from now, I’ll turn up in a shale deposit somewhere and be the star of some museum’s show!

Or, heck, just coat me in fine cement. That’ll achieve the same end, I imagine. I’ll leave a beautiful fossilized cast to dazzle and amaze future generations of insectoid archaeologists.

Ha! I got you all beat!
I’m going to find out how they keep Lenin so Commie-Fresh and have that done to MY body.

AND…since my dad’s a funeral director, I’ll get a FREE funeral!
Burn you, man!

What happened to those people that had their bodies frozen in liquid nitrogen? I recall reading that you could have yourself frozen, with a “perpetual” supply of liquid nitrogen (you hope!)poured in every year or so. This beats mummification by a mile!-and, who knows, you might actually be awakened (a la Woody Allen in “SLEEPER”), in the distant future?
Sounds like the way to go, to me!
Does this organization still exist?