These are reasonable questions that should be researched and discussed. A comprehensive and rigorous program of historical research could do a lot to answer a lot of these reasonable questions that have been put forward.
Bu, last time I checked, he only favors reparations to the Blacks, not native Americans, who were harmed the most, and certainly not to asians (like the Chinese workers in the west) or Hispanics. Or Irish “No Irish need apply”. That’s pretty damn racist.
This is incorrect; TNC has explicitly advocated that discrimination against other groups (in particular Native Americans) must be considered in any reparations program. I recommend reading up on TNC’s arguments since it appears you are not familiar with them.
No, but they were paid to people who were still alive and clearly identifiable. Reparations for something that happened so long ago that no one alive remembers it is a entirely different thing. And dont bring up “redlining” as recent, since many sued and collected.
How do you identify who is “black”? Or just those who are descendants of slaves? Records of those are very poor.
How about instead of funding that with taxpayer money, they get together and find some attorneys willing to work off a percentage of what they get? It sounds like it could be lucrative.
Forgot to mention that the US goverment’s culpability for Redlining (and similar policies) is the same as its culpability for slavery – it allowed these harmful discriminatory practices to be executed in its borders and under its authority. If rape was legal in the US (say, marital rape) at some point, then the US government bears some culpability for any rapes that it considered legal. Do you disagree?
Ha! Don’t bring up a program you don’t want to talk about. Okay, how about segregation? Do you believe the US government bears any culpability for the harm caused by segregation?
That’s a bad idea. Once we “start the conversation” if checks for millions arent forthcoming (and yes, Millions, that’s what many think they are owed) people will get angry that no $M check is forthcoming, and this will just hurt race relations. Not to mention, they will be the victims of scams, like what happened with tax scams a decade or so ago, where Blacks were scammed into claiming a “40 acres and a mule” tax credit.
Reparations will do nothing but hurt race relations in the USA.
Whites like myself, whose ancestors fought for the Union, never held a slave and whose recent ancestors fought for racial equality will be angry because we will see our tax bills doubled just like the sons of slaveholders.
You have not yet demonstrated the truth of the premises on which your question is based. So, I guess the answer is “not so far”.
Do you believe any of the following groups are culpable, and should pay, for segregation?
[ul][li]White people[/li][li]Black people[/li][li]Asians[/li][li]People who immigrated to the US after 1964[/li][li]People who were born after 1964[/li][li]People in states with no legally-mandated segregation prior to 1964[/li][li]People who benefited from social programs implemented after 1964[/li][/ul]
Regards,
Shodan
Which premise? The premise is that some living Americans were harmed by segregation. Do you disagree?
I believe the US government is culpable, and would be responsible for any reparations program. The US government includes and is funded by people in all of those categories.
I cannot find evidence that segregation was ever a US law. In 1870, after the end of the Civil War, the US passed the Civil Rights Act of 1875 forbidding racial segregation in accommodations. Now, many states had laws allowing or mandating segregation, but not the US government. So, no, I do not believe that the US is culpable in the existence of segregation. But even if they were, while there would be a to quantify who was harmed, the extent of the harm, or assessing a reasonable value of the harm would be all but impossible.
He’s is too long and too full of bullshit to read. Ok, he mentions native Americas. Does he also mention gays, Irish, Chinese, hispanics, women, and so forth? Does everyone but white straight males get a check?
How was this harm fixed? Do you mean segregation ended?
I suppose this must mean that you opposed reparations for the Japanese American internees, then, since that was “fixed” as much as segregation (i.e. it ended).
He said explicitly he’s open to exploring any harm done by past discriminatory policies, against any group of people. But if you’re not interested in reading his writing, then there’s probably not much possibility of productive discussion that’s largely based on his writing.
For a very small number of Americans, perhaps. There are many Americans who suffered under Redlining but did not benefit from those lawsuits.