No fucking Slavery Reparations for you!

I just read an article in the current Village Voice called Getting Back on the Bus. It was about a bunch of people (a million, it’s always a fucking million even when it’s 50,000) who are converging on Washington to march for slavery reparations.

This divisive bullshit has gotta stop.

Here’s the letter to the editor I wrote:

So I was inspired to write a pit rant about this dumbass fucking issue.

I would like to state for the record that, “I DON’T OWE YOU ANY FUCKING MONEY”. With that said, let me move on to why I don’t owe you any money in more graphic detail than in my letter to the editor.

My family to my knowledge never owned slaves, and I can trace my ancestry on my father’s side to not too much after the Mayflower. I can trace my ancestry on my mother’s side to immigrants from Poland and Lithuania around the turn of the century. For those of you that aren’t aware, the turn of the century happened AFTER the emancipation proclamation.

A little history lesson for those of you that still think I owe you money just because I’m white. This country was founded by immigrants who came here looking for a better life than the country from which they originally started. There was a form of slavery called “Indentured Servitude” where you in essence belonged to the person who paid for you and your family to come over here from Europe for a certain period of time. No this was not as bad as slavery, because it was not open ended. People that came to America were fleeing religious persecution, famine, or just laws that didn’t benefit them in any way. This continued for many years up until the present.

Along came the civil war. For those of you that don’t know, prior to the civil war, slavery was illegal in much of the country. In fact, the richest parts of the country, the parts of the country that are still the richest parts of the country, it was illegal, in all of those parts actually. Combine this with the fact that, this nation was and still is more resource rich than most areas of the world, and you will start to get a clearer view, that Malcolm X, is in fact wrong, that our wealth had less to do with slavery, and more to do with industrialization and resources. As I illustrated above Plantation owners in many cases lost everything with the Emancipation Proclamation, so the ancestors of the people who DID owe slavery reparations, in most cases, do not have a single bit of wealth that was aquired on the backs of slaves.

Back to Immigration. Since the United States became a country in the late 18th century we’ve had a steady influx of immigrants. In fact we had huge amounts of immigrants flowing steadily in after the Civil War, until World War I and still have hundreds of thousands flowing in each year. These were people fleeing abject poverty in eastern europe, oppressive laws, famines, wars, you name it. Many of us, are descended from these people, I am.

When you ask for reparations from the US government, you are asking for reparations from all of us. You are asking it from the entire population of Harlem, you are asking it from the entire population of Cambridge Massachussetts. You are asking it from all of Virginia, and all of Louisiana. You are asking it from recent Mexican immigrants, you are asking it from every taxpayer of this nation. In otherwords you are saying that your ancestor’s hardship 150 years ago was greater than their ancestor’s hardship 150 years ago, and that they owe you money.

The rich plantation owners that owned slaves were a minority of the people who lived in this country. They were a ruling class, just like we have in every country. The ruling class always steps on the other classes. This one just happened to be harsher than most. However, what reparations are saying is that EVERY SINGLE person owes for the actions of that small ruling class. I’d be willing to wager that the vast majority of this country is not descended from those people who owned slaves.

So if you want to claim that racism is an issue, please do it, I’ll agree with you. I agree that oppressive drug laws disfavor blacks and hispanics. However it’s this kind of divisive bullshit that keeps anything from being done about it. Rather than unifying with the white people who are discriminated against and belong to a lower class, who are toiling in shitty jobs, we have divisive bullshit like a march for slavery reparations being performed. A march that says that a white janitor in Minnesota owes money because slavery at one point existed in this country. Maybe if people really wanted to do something about this, they’d have a million man march to DC to get more money for schools in poor black neighborhoods, or even better, in all poor neighborhoods then it could be a 20,000,000 man march, but no, we have people who think that their particular ethnic background suffered more than someone else’s particular ethnic background.

Racism is racism, whether it hurts of benefits you. If you want it to stop, stop claiming benefits from it.

Erek

I agree.

I don’t even care what your politics are. All I did was read the thread title and my first thought was “Amen!”

These people reaching into my pockets because of something I personally had nothing to do with can get tossed. My family is also comprised of immigrants that came over after the war, and even if they weren’t, I wouldn’t pay a red cent for something that I personally had no control over.

I owe them absolutely nothing except the right to work hard and make a good living like everyone else. And since I don’t make any rules or decisions about employment or wages, they still have no reason to be pissed at me. I refuse to make any excuses for others, but I won’t take any of the blame for the race problems in this country, either.

GAH!!! The fucking 13th Amendment. The 13th Amendment. Will someone please remember the 13th Amendment?

The Emancipation Proclamation had nothing to do with ending slavery.
It.
Was.
The.
Thirteenth.
(13th)
Amendment.
To.
The.
United.
States.
Constitution.

Seriously, can we just start purging all mentions of the Emancipation Proclamation from history books just to rid ourselves of this frightfully commong error?
As for the rest of the OP: reparations will never happen, so don’t worry about it.

You’re probably right about that, Neurotik.

Here’s something I’ve always been curious about: can any of the people who want reparations PROVE that they are descended from slaves?

I’ve never heard either way.

Sure, they’ll probably never happen. But a “million” people going to Washington, DC, and demanding money based on their race isn’t exactly a helpful thing, even if it is futile.

Well, the Emancipation Proclamation freed those slaves in areas still in rebellion against the United States at the time. While it’s true that the Federal government had no power to enforce the Proclamation at the time it was issued, those former slaves became, in the eyes of the law, free.

Let me see how delicately I can put this, so I don’t get people throwing “RACIST!” epithets my way…

One can’t help but wonder what sorts of social programs and educational benefits would be cut in the name of handing out free paychecks to people whose ancestors were wronged by people they don’t know or care to know. More to the point, I believe that many (if not most) of the people throwing fits about not getting restitution aren’t seeing the fact that this money does not magically appear before your eyes. Last I’d checked, they can’t just run down to the ol’ printing press and run off a few hundred billion bucks for shits and giggles.

The money that goes into the community one way will be siphoned off of the community in other ways. And (though it’s sad to say) a large portion of the money supposedly “earmarked” for restitution would NOT find its way back to the poor inner-city communities that would have to give it up. Restitution is a BAD idea, and not just because of the morally bankrupt notion that people should be given a free pass for a 300 year-old wrong.

So you guys get checks for being African-American. That’s great. I hope being to afford some trinkets and baubles is worth your schools’ funding being cut. I hope it’s also worth social programs that help teenage mothers and rape victims being cut as well.

So go ahead. Call me racist, if you must. I’m wearing my flame-proof underwear.

as waterj2 said, my problem is not so much that I’m worried that the reparations are a possibility, it’s that there are a million people willing to spend enough money to bring a million people down to DC to argue this lameass fucking issue when they could be doing something productive.
Erek

As an African-American who would cut off her own feet before accepting a dime of reparations I heartily agree with every word written.

I have documented proof that my great-grandparents (and all those before them for countless generations) were slaves, though they were very young at the time of emancipation. My husband’s great-great grandparents and those before them were slaves too. But that has nothing to do with me, and what I’ve experienced in my lifetime. Paying me for the horrors they endured serves nothing. It rights no wrong.

Beyond, there is no dollar figure I could put on what my ancestors went through. I would be disrespecting their experiences to try to make some imagination of it. I can’t possibly know the horrors of it, nor know what, after 150 years, would be the proper compensation for it.

And that’s presuming that there was any way to make reparations fairly, and there just isn’t. It’s a folly.

If the reparations agitators spent 1/10 of the time they put towards all of this pointless whining about things long gone into doing something about racism now, our society would be in a hell of a better condition. But it’s easier to protest and make baseless demands than it is to actually do something, and of course it’s just like the supposed “leaders” who are calling for reparations to take the simplest path. It’s scandalous and embarrassing.

as waterj2 said, my problem is not so much that I’m worried that the reparations are a possibility, it’s that there are a million people willing to spend enough money to bring a million people down to DC to argue this lameass fucking issue when they could be doing something productive.
Erek

Yes, racism now. It has matured into something multi faceted. It isnt just about the african americans anymore. Everyone gets a taste of it.

I’ve always been against reparations as they have been laid out. I’d have no qualms about shunting Federal money over to civil rights programs in the name of “providing reparations”, but… don’t tax dollars already go towards programs like that? Black history month?

My big concern about this whole “reparations” thing is that it’s given some people (not all, or most, or even all, but I’m sure there’s some) who don’t give a flying fuck about righting social injustices an excuse to complain about some long-ago wrong that they don’t even half-understand, and to demand something for nothing because of it. Frankly, I consider that the greater injustice.

My family owned many plantations and owned a great many slaves. That was a horrid thing. I don’t see why others should pay for their deeds. Efforts are far better spent at dealing with racism.

No one alive today owned slaves, therefore no one owes reparations.

Erek

What about mixed race people? Do they pay themselves reparations?!

Let’s see here, some of my ancestors were English, so can I sue the Italians for reparations for what Rome did to England? And some of my ancestors were Irish and Welsh, so can I sue England for what she did to those ancestors? And I’ve got some Swiss in me too, so is there anyone I can sue about that?

Reparations won’t do any good, but those of you who want to claim that racism and segregation are a thing of the past are fools.
Claiming that

is a bit silly when people still don’t have equal opportunities in this country.

I don’t think reparations are a good idea, but the anger that this issue ingenders bothers me.

grendell, I think that’s why Airman Doors acknowledged that it’s still owing. There’s a lot of work to be done yet before we see anything remotely like a functionally egalitarian society- not just as far as “race”/ethnicity is concerned, but also with regard to class/gender/religious/sexual categories.

It’s something we all have to be conscious of, and it’s a hard issue to approach without descending into dialectics and reinforcing insular and artificial pigeon-holes for ourselves.

I agree with you, though-- seeing people become angry about this is troubling. It can’t be helpful.

Hey, I never thought about it… I’ve got blood in me from all over the fucking place! I’m the epitome of “mutt”, I tell ya!

Yay, reparations! Woohoo! Now gimme my big, fat reparations check!