Interesting, I had an “apology” post all typed up because it seems you posted the answer to my original question while I was typing my second post. We’ll just forget about that post now. Nice sarcasm. I know now why Mr. Cynical called you a dick when he did. I’ll just echo his sentiments here.
TC: Fine, Satan is “concerned”. Okay, I got that. I guess I’m in agreement with Sauron about the email thing. Really, if I noticed a “change” in your posts, I wouldn’t post about it. I would email you with my “concern” and make sure that you were really okay.
Satan said: “I wanted to gauge if my perceptions were off-base in some way, or on the other end, affirm that I am not the only person who noticed this change.”
What difference does this make, really? If Satan (or anyone else, for that matter) noticed a “change” and was so “concerned” why couldn’t he email Mr. Cynical and say, “Hey, man, you okay? I’ve noticed this about you and I was wondering if anything’s up.” Why did he have to come here and say, “MrC’s an asshole and here’s a thousand reasons why. Oh yeah, he called me a dick, too.”?
(PS, good to have you back, TC. I mean that sincerely.)
Feel free to call me a dick if you wish, Silverfire. From what I can see (and correct me if I am wrong here), you take issue with my sarcastic tone - enough so that I have to be called a “dick” - when I was actually replying in kind to a question you yourself admitted was loaded to begin with.
However, I apologize for this, as it was not my intention to hurt you.
Yer pal,
Satan
I dunno, Silver - I’d say you still owe Satan that apology.
Or was that a hijack?
Esprix
Oh? Why’s that, you cranky bitch? (Which you are, indeed, fully entitled to be.)
Silver Fire,
First off thanks for the welcome back, I really do appreciate that.
Anyhow you said:
And no where did Satan say that Mr C is an asshole that I recall, said his posts are asshole like, my paraphrasing of course. Being an asshole and having posts that are asshole like are very different things in my book. (something I learned while away from here.) Okay so he sees a driveby style that certainly isn’t Mr C’s past. He also stated that he noticed a caustic sense in his posts.
Then Satan said:
He’s not saying that Mr Cynical is an asshole but he is concerned with his behavior and I keep going back to the essential element of, “hey buddy, if there’s something wrong let us know because we care.” Okay so that’s not a quote, quote but I can see where Satan is coming from.
Look Silver Fire if anyone had come to me in the past and gently said “what the hell is up?” via email or through a post I would have probably gotten pissed initially, but that’s my nature, but I also would have reflected upon what people are saying, thereby looking at what was going on by those I consider friends and possibly realized my postings were off the top. And no offense to a lot of people here, but I didn’t get that gentle nudge, Satan’s may be more than a gentle nudge but hardly one for people to get themselves worked up over. Maybe Mr C is reading this and thinking, boy do I have a lot to say but I will calm down a little and reflect upon what is being said, something that aint easy for many. Satan isn’t putting him down, he’s wondering what is up and lastly that he is missing one of the many reasons that Satan enjoys coming here, Mr C’s wit, off the cuff posts that make you laugh, and the intelligence that Mr C can impart on the boards.
Again I am not trying to state I know all of Satan’s intentions here but I think I have a good idea as I have been concerned myself.
Thanks for the okay. I so need your permission to do so. Do I need a note from my mommy, too? [/sarcasm] (Hey, I learn from the best. :rolleyes: )
Wow, you’re a quick one! (Again - [/sarcasm] I’m getting good at this! :rolleyes: )
Fabulous.
You couldn’t possibly, but I thank you for the “concern”.
Without getting into the motivations of anyone here (which I assume were good) . . .
If someone who purports to care about me in the least opens a Pit thread saying “Where is the old JODI we all know and love? Why are you being a whore bitch from hell here and here and here? You’re acting like an asshole, and I’m ever so concerned,” I will not be dropping by to thank them for it. To say I would be hacked about it would be an understatement. So if MR. CYN doesn’t wander in, I for one with be applauding him for showing restraint and taking the high road.
TC, I understand that. Maybe Satan is concerned, but why make MrC’s recent mean tendencies so public. Maybe MrC isn’t doing it intentionally and maybe he doesn’t really even realize that he’s being such an ass. (I seriously doubt that this is the case, but it could very well be.)
So MrC’s being a complete jerk for no apparent reason. Except he doesn’t realize that he’s doing it. (Stress, PMS, whatever) He can A) Realize what he’s been up to, take a step back and say, “Wow, I’ve been being an ass”, and tone it down a bit B) Get a few EMAIL MESSAGES from a couple concerned members and friends that act as a wake up call to his jerkish behavior or C) Come to the message board and see a thread dedicated to the fact that he’s been being an asshole.
Now say that MrC is intentionally being a prick because, hey, he just feels like it. I don’t really think that starting a thread about it is going to make things any better. He wants to be a driveby poster for a while, he will be. (Provided that no moderator/administrator actions are taken.)
You guys know that Mr. Cynical isn’t just an asshole. You guys know that he is a decent, respected, likeable kind of guy whose contributions around here exceed those of the average poster. You also probably know that this “episode” of behavior won’t last forever. He is a wonderful addition to this online community. So he’s had an off day/week/month/whatever. Big deal. Give the guy a little breathing room.
Because you asked him a question, and while he was composing his reply, but before he had a chance to respond, you jumped down his throat for not answering you. IMHO, he had every right to get snippy, since you didn’t give him the opportunity to respond, and a simple, “Whoops! Simupost! Sorry! Thanks for answering me!” would have been appropriate on your part. You chose not to. I still see it as proper; after all, he did answer your question.
YMMV.
Esprix
ACK, I am shaking my head here, I don’t think that Satan is trying to call Mr C in public to humilate, frustrate or belittle him, not at all. I think anyone that knows Satan on some level knows that he doesn’t work that way. < sigh >
Jodi,
Satan has a way with words that I think are left behind for many. While his intentions are well he sometimes says things, I think, he wishes he had a better way of saying, sorry Satan but I have seen it in the past, you mean one thing others take it as another. I stated as such that he could have posted it as an MPSIMS thread and it probably would be taken in the light I think he is trying to impart here.
Silver Fire said:
Silver, hun, he’s not saying that at all, he’s saying, and again I am not pulling words from Satan because I can’t pull words from those I don’t know that well, but I see it very differently. Mr C seems to have issues that Satan is concerned with, apparently. He wants Mr C to know publicly that he is concerned and if Mr. C needs help then by all means let us know what is going on but please stop with the dork like posts (even if mild in comparison to others) that we see here. I truly believe that Satan’s heart is in the right area, he want’s to see that Mr C. is okay and if not maybe in some small way we can help him out.
I kind of feel like I am running in circles with the same answer. Satan has not denied what I or others see and remarked to about his posts (if he does that’s cool) and a few continue to want to deny Satan’s right to ask Mr C publicly what might be going on. Whether the way that Satan went about this is right or wrong should not be the issue, if nothing else it should show more and more what a community this is. He is obviously concerned and I think that deserves an A for effort. If Mr C. feels bad or pissed or whatever about this whole thing is yet to be known. For all we know he has emailed Satan in confidence about what he feels and this situation.
But I didn’t “jump down his throat”. If I “jumped” anywhere, it was to conclusions, assuming that he would have just posted his answer in the same post that he used to answer to Sauron’s post. (I just said “post” way too many times, didn’t I?)
TECHIE –
This may be true, and I’m willing to assume it is true; I’ve already said I assume SATAN’S motivations were good. Certainly it is not my intention to imply they were not. That doesn’t change how the OP sounds, at least not to me, and I stand by my opinion that it is a rare and remarkable person who would appreciate a thread such as this. Maybe MR. CYN will; I don’t know. I do know that I would not.
Yeah, this is much more productive than a quick e-mail to Mr. Cynical. I think that much is obvious by now.
Well, kind of. Mr. Cynical is showing a change (negative behavior in Satan’s eyes) for no apparent reason. If the reason was at all apparent, this thread wouldn’t be here.
Then I shouldn’t be in this thread at all. All I know is I would not be at all appreciative if someone went ahead and started a thread outlining my behavior and saying that it’s wrong or a bad change from the “old” me, or whatever. I would much rather that person approach me quietly (IM or email) and express their concern that way. Satan (or anybody else) has no idea how MrC might be reacting to this thread. It has the potential to invoke a lot of different feelings, and I don’t think that Satan took MrC’s feelings into account before putting him out there like this. People need to be more considerate.
If that’s the case, then anyone else who may have read this thread (myself included) will never know the answer anyway. So why the thread?
Sounded like you jumped down his throat to me, and evidently it did to him, too, or he wouldn’t have responded like he did. But even if that was not your intention, the assumptions you jumped to were false and presumptuous - again, he wasn’t given adequate opportunity to respond. The fact remains that he did, indeed, answer your question - this is why I think the apology is still in order.
Again, just my opinion, and YMMV.
Esprix
I have spoken with Satan (I feel so evil saying that…) and I realize that I may have come off a bit harsh. I want to apologize to Satan, although my opinion still stands. Next time, maybe I’ll use a quiet little email.
(HA! Cranky Bitch, this apology has nothing to do with you. So there. 
)
What I was saying Silver Fire is, that Mr Cynical may have seen the thread and may have emailed Satan on the issue. We don’t know this, we may never know. That’s what I meant.
As for the jerk comment, Satan never said that implicitly. He was stating (again running in circles) that he was concerned because he’s not used to seeing such posts by Mr C.
I have never known a “friend” to out and out say, you are “a jerk” but to give examples by which “you are not being yourself and it’s kinda lame.” I think there is a big difference here. A friend doesn’t state “you’re a jerk” but states your attitude or your behavior or your statements are jerk like and this is not the person I know and care for. Again, there is a big distinction between the two. Being a jerk and having some asshole or jerklike tendencies are different especially when you have seen behavior that is fun, full of charm, etc.
For example, one of my best friend’s is being jerklike. I love her like anyone in my family. I hate her behavior towards me and her other friends and family. I dislike the fact that she is closing up but she’s not a jerk, she’s being jerklike because she doesn’t see what she is doing. Again she’s one of my best friends and I would never call her a jerk, an asshole or anything. On my level I feel she is doing a disservice to herself and to those around her that care for her for acting in this way. This is not an asshole or a jerk but someone that needs to understand she’s acting in a way that makes people feel uncomfortable.
I hope that makes sense cause I am only trying to get across that Satan seemingly does not imply that Mr C is a jerk but that he’s seeing somethings, as a friend, that he is concerned about.
< twisting in knots now >
No, TC, it’s okay. See? It’s okay. I’ve spoken with Satan, in chat. All’s well and stuff. (Although I still say an email would have been better, I know I was way too bitchy.)
Look at our posting times Silver Fire…I think we both were contemplating it all and pretty much posted at the same time. Hey I can only post at 45 wpm or so and those usually include a LOT of mistakes plus I hash out what I am going to say very carefully these days! Eh, it’s cool.