None of this has to do with being a bitch. It has to do with the fact that labor had to literally go to war against capital to win collective bargaining rights in this country. If unions have learned to enforce rules this strictly it’s because there’s a history of management shenanigans.
I tend to think of these situations as unions being given enough rope to hang themselves. I can’t even recall how many times I have heard people relate a situation, usually when they are manning a table at a convention, and they can’t even do something such as screw in a light bulb. Also, I don’t think that their inflatable rats are really winning people over. I get the need for unions, but they really need some sort of PR help.
Exactly. He showed the poster in Harpo Speaks and I thought it would make a great screen name.
Well, not all of us.
Ya think? Ya think that when the corporate management community has spent 50 years and millions of dollars in relentless propaganda maligning unions that unions might need P.R. help? Ya think that when management pushes and pushes and pushes and pushes and pushes that union reactions might become reactionary and rigid? There is a big picture here, and getting pissy over trivia like not being allowed to change a lightbulb without understanding the underlying history reflects a learned bias towards labor.
All valid points. But an obligingly eager kid made an honest mistake, for which a ton of bricks came down upon him.
Other tales from the Golden Age of Hollywood: there was a store where poor people including bit players shopped, that sold blank tin cans whose labels had come off. For a discount, you bought a mystery dinner. Milk had to be cut with water to last the week. Sometimes the landlord would come over and my dad would have to leave while his mom “paid the rent.”
I am going to take a wild guess and say you don’t agree with Ann Coulter’s opinions.
Actually, AH was originally thought to have said just the first three words, and he got a lot of ribbing for it. While he was filming Mr. and Mrs. Smith, Carole Lombard brought in some heifers with name tags of the film’s stars. AH said he was misquoted: “I said ‘Actors should be treated like cattle’.”
Hey! There’s a ten year time skip!
Yes, but if the union permits this, soon management will have other actors (bit players, willing to do anything to keep on the castinbg directors good side) moving cables, then moving the lights on those cables, then pluggong & unplugging cables, etc. – soon being unpaid replacements for an electrical union worker. So they react very quickly to any trespassing on their jobs.
What the mother should have done was to immediately go to the union steward and say “can I sign my son up in the union They are having him move cables around.” That steward would have signed him on as an apprentice electrician, and then really enjoyed demanding that the producers pay him electrician’s wages, in addition to his acting salary. Get the union on your side, and they’ll have fun sticking it to management – on your behalf,
I have a friend who spent time at the Bing Crosby golf tournament back in the early 80’s. She said that Bing Crosby’s SOBness was a frequent topic of conversation although he was dead by that time.
I once asked a professional cameraman who was the biggest bitch he had to work with. “Kathy Lee Gifford” was his immediate answer.
Did not surprise me in the least.
Christian Bale isn’t known to be nice.
Not one first-hand account among three pages of posts, most of which are playing awfully fast and loose with the reputations of strangers. I thought Dopers had higher standards.
Of a profession where people spend a lot of time, treasure and toil to ensure that good stories get out. Fairs fair I say.
Averted. Tom. Hanks apparently really is as nice as he is made out to be.
Your argument is that if a Doper had a one-time encounter with a star that should count *more *than the judgments of multiple people who knew them intimately and lived and worked with them for years?
Please never serve on a jury.
Well, first and foremost, I’ve only been posting since January, and it’s not my intention to spoil things for anyone or ruffle any feathers. I wouldn’t be here if there weren’t things that I admire about this board.
However, I think I’m making a valid point and, to my disappointment, you’re replying with failed logic. It doesn’t make much sense for you to put words in my mouth/post. I never said anything about “a one-time encounter,” so why should you assume that?
In the event that you’re actually interested in reaching an understanding, I’ll clarify my position: One has to spend a lot of time with another person and in different contexts before they can put a label on that person. It’s common sense. About the other part of your reply (“…judgments of multiple people…”), some of the anecdotes mentioned upthread could be well founded (I have no idea) and worth taking into consideration. I’m not saying that any damning passage of a biography is worthless, but rather that it’s a matter that requires very careful consideration (hence my use of “fast and loose”).
Them’s some mighty tall words, Jim’s Son! Next thing, you’ll be saying he’s a Democrat!
Hey, I’m down with that!
Just so you know, I never looked at your posting date. I was arguing with your logic.
I still am. If you limit answers to people who had long personal acquaintances with Hollywood stars, you’d still be waiting for an answer after 10 years. Even Eve (see posts 10 and 17), somebody who has written half a dozen books on oldtime Hollywood stars, had little personal contact with them, but I certainly would trust her research skills. Some of the rest of us are fairly knowledgeable about the subject.
Not that it matters. This is the Internet. People offer opinions, and 99% of the time the opinions are based on vapor. People also counter opinions, as Eve did. It’s the way things work on every subject. If you stick around you should get a feel for whose opinions matter on which subjects. And if none of them do, then either read a thread for the pure entertainment value of the stupidity or go insane.
Well, there’s not much of anything in either of your replies to back up that claim. It looks more like you took my first post as an attack and reacted with a snyde remark.
The posts that contrast differing accounts, for example, seem to have been made in a constructive manner and appropriate spirit. Others strike me as being less fortunate.
Thanks for the suggestions, but I think there are a few alternatives.