No kidding the Senate is different than the House. A very tiny handful of senators voted to support electoral vote objections on the R side, while a majority of the House members on the R side did. You’re definitely dealing with two different cultures/priorities.
Lol. It was pure self-interest. Once it is again politically beneficial to lie and fabricate and undermine democracy they will do it. These same people cheered on the cops who assaulted BLM protesters (most of whom were white btw). They fabricated the Benghazi bullshit. They signed on to birtherism. They repeated pizzagate rumors. These people as simply less idiotic than Trump. Trump didn’t cause this, the GOP and their scummy media allies and the shitstains at CPAC all teamed up to create this. Trump just is the symbol, Hawley is campaigning to step in behind him.
I mean fuck, this country has ADD. The excuses and contrarianism going on around the Internet 24 hours later are utterly shameful. Trump apparently did succeed in numbing us all to what is actually worth overreacting to.
I don’t think anyone here is arguing against that. The argument is over what they each will conclude is in their self-interest. Does the lay of the land change with Trump out of office and the Senate in D hands? Do the events of yesterday change the calculus?
Has anyone said seventeen ferrets in a burlap sack yet? If not, I call dibs on seventeen ferrets in a burlap sack!
I think we have the answer to the OP. The RNC just confirmed Trump’s choice, Ronna Romney McDaniel as head of the RNC so the party still sees Trump as its leader. I was frankly stunned by this choice.
The RNC currently has been a wing of Trumps election committee. This appointment was expected by most from what I’ve read. I don’t think the RNC leader is seen as a party leader or one who labels the one who is. They are at most a reflection who had recently been the leader.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with this. Trump installed loyalist when some never-trumpers left. With Trump’s hold on the rank and file waning it’ll set up a battle.
Most Republicans blame Biden for riot
AZ Republicans censure McCain widow
Majority of Republicans think Trump did nothing wrong
It’s business as usual for the Republican party, no matter what Republican senators and representatives say. The party answers to its supporters, not its elected officials, save for the POTUS when he’s a Republican. Besides, Trumpists have been installed in nearly all local levels of Republican Party positions, city and county and state. Trumpists will be firmly in charge of the Republican Party some some time to come.
This is probably true as far as it goes, but Trumpism does depend on Trump, or a Trumplike figure (a charismatic strongman type with some mythology behind him).
So that’s sort of a paradox. It doesn’t look like Trumpism is going anywhere, yet there seems to be no clear heir to the Trump faction, nor any of its competitors. Romney seems to be banking on a return to sanity. He’d be the clear front-runner if that were realistic, but I find it unrealistic.
Of course there’s the eternal question of Ivanka or Junior. None of them are smart enough to lead, but apparently you don’t need to be. However they may be looking at legal jeopardy and irrelevance pretty soon down the line.
I dunno. It’s hard to read those tea leaves. Maybe we go back to the glory days of the Tea Party. No real leader but McConnell’s obstructionism.
Thus far there’s nothing to bar another run by Trump in 2024. Taking Twitter and Facebook away from him is only a temporary inconvenience. He will remain the leader of the Trump faction. And if he gets convicted and can’t run, he will anoint someone like Ted Cruz and Trumpists will nominate him.
Though I do admit I don’t think Cruz (or hopefully anyone else) will be as popular as Trump among the Trumpists. Sane voters will mostly avoid anyone so anointed, I think.
The leadership of the Trump faction is open to anyone who promises to pardon Trump if they’re elected.
Each party is a multi-headed beast, and the heads don’t have to listen to each other. The president is effectively seen as the leader if they’re in office, so with Trump out of office he will see his influence dissipate rapidly. Getting kicked off of Twitter and being caught plotting sedition also hurt his influence.
The Senate leader is not the RNC leader is not the Republican House Leader is not the president and is not the head of the Supreme Court. Trump will “suggest” Mitch write a bill a certain way (“I will veto this if you don’t put in X”) and Mitch will usually try to accommodate him, but sometimes not (see the bill on Defense funding). The president cannot actually give orders to the head of the Senate or the House, even if they’re in the same party. Trump was hoping the Republican-dominated Supreme Court would put him in power… nope. He’s not their boss.
Trump could propose a judicial pick, and (because allies of the Senate effectively choose these people) it usually goes through. However Mitch could say “that person is crazy” and suggest to the Senate they not approve this person. “Pick this judge instead.”
The Democrats have to juggle multiple groups who aren’t politicians but internally seem less divided. I’m sure it happened, but I can’t recall the last time Obama and Pelosi had a public disagreement on policy. Before Biden won the primary, I think people seemed to take Pelosi and Schumer as the closest thing to leaders among the Democratic Party. (I think most people couldn’t name the head of the DNC without using a search engine. I certainly could not.)
I can. He keeps asking me for money. Give it a rest, Tom; the elections are over.
Its already happening, Trump is becoming irrelevant. Hes been banned from most online platforms and other than his base pretty much nobody cares what he says anymore (unless is promoting crimes and terrorism). Even his base will probably lose interest after biden is president for six months or so.
I truly hope you are right; becoming irrelevant would crush him mentally. But he’s got a huge die-hard base who’s willing to send him money. Only a few of them seem to notice recently they’ve been swindled; the majority seem more than willing to continue supporting him.
Yeah but we haven’t seen what’ll happen when they realize that Biden is the president, and the ‘pedophile satanists’ are still in charge and Trump is helpless to do anything about it but complain on his own TV network. Right now his base think Trump is working hand in hand with military leaders to overthrow the satanists who rule the world, but pretty soon Trump will just be some guy constantly going to court and fending off lawsuits with no real power.
I think you give too much credit to his followers; they’ve already shown they’re not capable of real rational deductive reasoning. Many will support what they perceive as a persecuted martyr. Hell, Dick Nixon came back . . .
Again, I hope you’re right, but my own experience with people makes me doubt what you say will come to pass.
This sounds right. It will be a leaderless party, united more by MAGA nationalism than any particular individual. A few of the current hardcore MAGAs might suffer when they run for reelection, such as Josh Hawley, but most will probably not suffer electoral defeat.
I think a typical situation in red districts and states in 2022 will be something like this. A MAGA Republican will win a primary against a non-MAGA Republican with something like a 60 / 40 split. When the general election comes around, the vast majority of the 40 will end up holding their noses and voting for the MAGA Republican. Since the district / state is red, the MAGA Republican will easily beat the Democrat. After that, the more charismatic of the 2022 winners will compete with each other to see who will inherit the Trump mantle.
@FlikTheBlue; sounds about right to me.
Agreed. Flik nailed it. Unfortuately.